Cyclone
Sep 8 2004, 04:13 PM
the $264 million Genesis mission to study the solar wind ended in a crater in the Utah desert Wednesday.
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NASA scientists watched the Genesis space capsule tumble out of the sky and plunge into the desert at 193 mph near the Army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah.
The impact smashed open the science capsule, exposing its precious scientific cargo to contamination.
But scientists were cautiously optimistic that the payload -- dozens of fragile tiles that had collected particles of the solar wind for about two years -- could still yield viable material.
"Certain elements of the design should help piece the science together," said Andrew Dantzler, NASA's solar system division director. "We don't know the condition of the collectors that hold the science. We'll be learning that in the hours, days, weeks to come."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/08/g....cnn/index.htmlI for one am glad to see that the government takes so much out of each of my paychecks, some of which goes to NASA, and they can't even do anything right. First, a peice of FOAM destroys a space shuttle and kills the occupants. The dweebs at NASA knew something was up but did nothing and the space shuttle returned home to blow into bits and scatter all over the US.
Now, a big ass mission to the sun and back and the stupid space probe just craters in the desert. NASA's success rate is falling bigtime lol
clarkma5
Sep 8 2004, 04:14 PM
Let's not forget the multitudes of mars landers and orbiters that have succumbed to some odd engineering mistake or another...
NASA needs to get their act together; their success rate in the last decade or so is abysmal.
dukenukem
Sep 8 2004, 04:15 PM
there is no more competition to drive them forward
goldenjackal
Sep 8 2004, 04:15 PM
Well, believe it or not, NASA doesn't get half of the funding it should.
NorthPoint
Sep 8 2004, 04:15 PM
Yeah, because sending a piece of metal to the sun and back is really easy.
dukenukem
Sep 8 2004, 04:16 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Sep 8 2004, 07:15 PM)
Yeah, because sending a piece of metal to the sun and back is really easy.
i bet you $100 to do it.
Cyclone
Sep 8 2004, 04:17 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Sep 8 2004, 08:16 PM)
i bet you $100 to do it.
~Grabs a helium baloon and tapes a peice of metal to the string~
Bahahha I win! We all know that helium baloons go all the way to the sun.
dukenukem
Sep 8 2004, 04:22 PM
~grabs a gun and shoots down the balloon.
Cyclone
Sep 8 2004, 04:27 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Sep 8 2004, 08:22 PM)
~grabs a gun and shoots down the balloon.
Hey I dont care, its your tax money paying for it ;P
dukenukem
Sep 8 2004, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(Cyclone @ Sep 8 2004, 07:27 PM)
Hey I dont care, its your tax money paying for it ;P
never paid taxes rishi
fiber optic
Sep 8 2004, 05:40 PM
I hold the record in the lab for "Most expensive mistakes" Burned a turbo molecular pump that cost as much as our S40. Broke diamond samples that could have paid off our house. I don't see what the big deal is?
dukenukem
Sep 8 2004, 05:46 PM
and how is that you still hold your job ??? !!!!
huge colin
Sep 8 2004, 05:47 PM
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Viper007Bond
Sep 8 2004, 06:30 PM
Ditto. All of the stuff that has been discovered and learned about our universe due to the space program while may not make back your tax dollars, knowledge is priceless.
I for one am proud of the space program.
BankieVR6
Sep 8 2004, 07:51 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Sep 8 2004, 08:14 PM)
Let's not forget the multitudes of mars landers and orbiters that have succumbed to some odd engineering mistake or another...
NASA needs to get their act together; their success rate in the last decade or so is abysmal.
and of course its SO easy to build a machine that will work FLAWLESSLY after being launched off the earth, hurtled thru space, plopped down on another planet and driven around. of course.
TexanBerettaGT
Sep 8 2004, 08:05 PM
Jimmy Buffett says it well...
"Speakin’ of fruitcakes, how ’bout the government?
Your tax dollars at work.
We lost our martian rocket ship
The high paid spokesman said
Looks like that silly rocket ship
Has lost it’s cone shaped head
We spent 90 jillion dollars trying to get a look at mars
I hear universal laughter ringing out among the stars"
Mellender17
Sep 9 2004, 01:42 AM
fiber optic
Sep 9 2004, 03:17 AM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Sep 8 2004, 08:46 PM)
and how is that you still hold your job ??? !!!!

Because nobody else can get the results I can in the same timeframe.
McKhaos
Sep 9 2004, 05:03 AM
fiber optic , what is your job ?
clarkma5
Sep 9 2004, 10:25 AM
QUOTE(BankieVR6 @ Sep 8 2004, 08:51 PM)
and of course its SO easy to build a machine that will work FLAWLESSLY after being launched off the earth, hurtled thru space, plopped down on another planet and driven around. of course.

Well, what the hell is the point of putting 6 months and $200 million down the tubes when a year and $400 million will get the job done?
Either do it right or don't do it at all...no more of this "cheaper, better, faster" crap.
BankieVR6
Sep 9 2004, 10:46 AM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Sep 9 2004, 02:25 PM)
no more of this "cheaper" crap.
well then complain about how much taxpayers have to contribute.
clarkma5
Sep 9 2004, 10:49 AM
They can operate on the same budget properly, they just have to run less missions.
BankieVR6
Sep 9 2004, 10:59 AM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Sep 9 2004, 02:49 PM)
They can operate on the same budget properly, they just have to run less missions.
how many mars rovers have there been in the past 30 years? two? how often do you propose they send them.
clarkma5
Sep 9 2004, 11:01 AM
it's not just "mars rovers", it's everything.
It's orbitals, collectors, telescopes, space station bits, shuttle launches, rovers...
I mean, think of how much NASA was doing back in the '60s when it was fully funded. A manned rocket launch every year or two? Now NASA has a fraction of that funding, and they're undertaking all sorts of ambitious projects!
BankieVR6
Sep 9 2004, 11:03 AM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Sep 9 2004, 03:01 PM)
it's not just "mars rovers", it's everything.
It's orbitals, collectors, telescopes, space station bits, shuttle launches, rovers...
I mean, think of how much NASA was doing back in the '60s when it was fully funded. A manned rocket launch every year or two? Now NASA has a fraction of that funding, and they're undertaking all sorts of ambitious projects!
i suppose, but the positive outcomes of all that is hard to measure. especially when theres so much money being put into it. i couldnt argue this point much farther, for i lack the knowledge of our space program. but dont consider this a victory by default, clark!
clarkma5
Sep 9 2004, 11:05 AM
DE-FAULT DE-FAULT DE-FAULT!!!
"I don't understand it, that was NON-ALCOHOLIC CHAMPAGNE!!!"
huge colin
Sep 9 2004, 01:51 PM
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DakianDelomast
Sep 9 2004, 01:57 PM
I'm sorry clark but you can't just stretch a budget when you're loading up space probes with plutonium. Honestly they already ARE stretching their budge hence why they have to go to the lowest bidder and why they seem to be all thumbs at the moment.
NorthPoint
Sep 9 2004, 01:57 PM
QUOTE(huge colin @ Sep 9 2004, 04:51 PM)
Exactly. Don't even get me going on the Superconducting Supercollider. What good is 30% of an unfinished SSC, hmm, Congress? Asspilots.
--Colin
Just found this...
I live in Dallas and I have just learned that the Superconducting Supercollider is going to be sold (for 8.1 million) to Mensura Inc.
My bros and I plan to take an emergency trip way down there to check it before it gets bought out. Mensura plans on converting the supercollider into a Anti-Terrorist training camp.
There’s only one other supercollider in the world and it’s in Europe. I intend to document this 2 billion dollar government #*@!up as well as I can. More to follow!
See you in the shadows.
Scr http://www.rotteneggs.com/se/8190.html
DakianDelomast
Sep 9 2004, 02:00 PM
Anti....Terrorist....training.......... camp? What the FUCK do we need that for?
NorthPoint
Sep 9 2004, 02:02 PM
QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Sep 9 2004, 05:00 PM)
Anti....Terrorist....training.......... camp? What the FUCK do we need that for?
You haven't heard that the US is fighting terrorists? Call up the White House and ask for a Mr.Bush. He'll be able to tell you all about it, I hear he knows a lot.
DakianDelomast
Sep 9 2004, 02:04 PM
See in the US we have this thing called "The War on Terrorism" but in reality it should be titled "The Big Distraction". Hay aren't we at terrorist alert crimson right now?
NorthPoint
Sep 9 2004, 02:09 PM
Does it have something to do with this?
fiber optic
Sep 9 2004, 05:04 PM
QUOTE(McKhaos @ Sep 9 2004, 08:03 AM)
fiber optic , what is your job ?
Microfabrication Engineer
McKhaos
Sep 10 2004, 05:52 AM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ Sep 9 2004, 05:04 PM)
Microfabrication Engineer

ok , but what does your job consist of ?
huge colin
Sep 10 2004, 11:01 AM
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McKhaos
Sep 10 2004, 11:06 AM
^^20TeV as in 20 teravolts ?
fiber optic
Sep 10 2004, 02:15 PM
QUOTE(McKhaos @ Sep 10 2004, 08:52 AM)
ok , but what does your job consist of ?
Making devices that are small. So small you can't see them with your eye. Sometimes so small you need a microscope that uses electrons for imaging.
Edit: 20TeV is 20 Terra Electron Volts
An electron volt is a measure of energy just like Joules. 1 eV = 1.602*10^-19 Joules
So 20TeV = 3.20 micro Joules
DakianDelomast
Sep 10 2004, 03:14 PM
QUOTE(huge colin @ Sep 10 2004, 02:01 PM)
Homeland Security Buyer's Guide? What is all this? The SCC site had better not ever become anything that isn't a particle collider. 20 TeV/beam is sufficient to create a Higgs boson, damn it!
--Colin
NERD!
Yeah I know what a boson is. STOP YOUR GIGGLING.
fiber optic
Sep 10 2004, 03:28 PM
QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Sep 10 2004, 06:14 PM)
Yeah I know what a boson is. STOP YOUR GIGGLING.
The explanations I found through Google weren't very helpful. Quick overview please?
DakianDelomast
Sep 10 2004, 05:36 PM
Boson is basically believed to be the key to forces between subatomic particles. When one partcile puts a force on another one its believed to give it a Boson. I don't know too much about Higgs Bosons though.
huge colin
Sep 12 2004, 01:36 PM
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DakianDelomast
Sep 12 2004, 02:11 PM
QUOTE(huge colin @ Sep 12 2004, 04:36 PM)
Note that this should not be confused with the "Oh-My-God Particle", which turned out to be a proton moving a relativistic speed and carrying around 50J of energy.
hahaha BOOM
Yeah I just got finished reading about Higg's Bosons. Man I want to become a particle physist in so many ways.
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