PAULIE_D
Aug 23 2004, 12:32 PM
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Microsoft's multicultural missteps
Company offends foreign countries with software gaffes
Jo Best, Cnet News.com
Monday, August 23, 2004
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Microsoft's lack of multicultural savvy cost the Redmond, Wash., behemoth millions of dollars, according to a company executive.
The software giant has seen its products banned in some of the biggest markets on earth -- and it's all because of eight wrongly colored pixels, a dodgy choice of music and a bad English-to-Spanish dictionary.
Speaking at the International Geographical Union congress in Glasgow last week, Microsoft's top man in its geopolitical strategy team, Tom Edwards, revealed how one of the biggest companies in the world managed to offend one of the biggest countries in the world with a political faux pas.
When coloring in 800,000 pixels on a map of India, Microsoft colored eight of them a different shade of green to represent the disputed Kashmiri territory. The difference in greens meant Kashmir was shown as non-Indian, and the product was promptly banned in India. Microsoft was left to recall all 200, 000 copies of the offending Windows 95 operating system software to try to heal the diplomatic wounds.
"It cost millions," Edwards said.
Another blunder from Microsoft involved the use of chanting of the Quran as a soundtrack for a computer game, which was roundly denounced by the government of Saudi Arabia.The company later issued a new version of the game without the chanting, keeping the previous editions in circulation because Microsoft's U.S. staff thought this wouldn't be spotted. But the Saudi government banned the game and demanded an apology. Microsoft then withdrew the game.
The software giant managed to further offend the Saudis by creating another game in which Muslim warriors turned churches into mosques. That game was also withdrawn.
Microsoft has also managed to upset women and entire countries. A Spanish- language version of Windows XP, destined for Latin American markets, asked users to select their gender between "not specified," "male" or "bitch," because of an unfortunate error in translation.
Edwards said that staff members are now sent to geography courses to try to avoid such mishaps. "Some of our employees, however bright they may be, have only a hazy idea about the rest of the world," he said.
Microsoft spokesman Ricardo Adame added, "It is complex to do business globally and in multicultural environments. Like any large company, we have made mistakes, and this is to show that we have definitely learned from the past."
Chronicle staff writer Matthew Yi contributed to this report.
Source :
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...BUGCL8BT481.DTL
nismo
Aug 23 2004, 12:35 PM
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Windows XP, destined for Latin American markets, asked users to select their gender between "not specified," "male" or "bitch,"
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 12:36 PM
I heard about both of these issues from a friend of mine just a few days ago...when the world's so messed up, I guess even microsoft screws up stuff like this.
herkalees
Aug 23 2004, 12:43 PM
I seriously feel like those countrys need to relax. When a company makes as many things as Microsoft does, there's going to be glitches, and if they're too idiotic to think we made the errors on purpose, they can just E.A.D.
inky159
Aug 23 2004, 12:47 PM
QUOTE(PAULIE_D @ Aug 23 2004, 04:32 PM)
[...] a soundtrack for a computer game, [...] another game in which Muslim warriors [...]
Geez, why couldn't they give us the games' names? Sounds more like word-of-mouth than real reporting...
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 12:47 PM
QUOTE(herkalees @ Aug 23 2004, 03:43 PM)
I seriously feel like those countrys need to relax. When a company makes as many things as Microsoft does, there's going to be glitches, and if they're too idiotic to think we made the errors on purpose, they can just E.A.D.
Do you know what the Kashmir dispute is about and the significance of it?
Are you a Muslim?
Are you a woman in Spain?
The answer to all these questions is obviously no, so you have no fucking clue as to how these 'mistakes' are viewed by others. Get educated, use your brain, and then post. Whether the mistakes were done on purpose or not is completely irrelevant.
Renesis
Aug 23 2004, 12:50 PM
I think their reaction was right, sorry but even if it's an error it needs to be corrected, it's no small error here.
Although this one was funny
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Windows XP, destined for Latin American markets, asked users to select their gender between "not specified," "male" or "bitch,"
herkalees
Aug 23 2004, 01:10 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 03:47 PM)
Do you know what the Kashmir dispute is about and the significance of it?
Are you a Muslim?
Are you a woman in Spain?
The answer to all these questions is obviously no, so you have no fucking clue as to how these 'mistakes' are viewed by others. Get educated, use your brain, and then post. Whether the mistakes were done on purpose or not is completely irrelevant.
Okay, now I'm gonna use my "lack of education" and tell you to relax. What I said contained no facts, it was nothing but my opinion. The last time I checked, here on the internet at least, everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Oh, and for future reference, I am a muslim woman living in Spain.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 01:16 PM
QUOTE(herkalees @ Aug 23 2004, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 03:47 PM)
Do you know what the Kashmir dispute is about and the significance of it?
Are you a Muslim?
Are you a woman in Spain?
The answer to all these questions is obviously no, so you have no fucking clue as to how these 'mistakes' are viewed by others. Get educated, use your brain, and then post. Whether the mistakes were done on purpose or not is completely irrelevant.
Okay, now I'm gonna use my "lack of education" and tell you to relax. What I said contained no facts, it was nothing but my opinion. The last time I checked, here on the internet at least, everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Oh, and for future reference, I am a muslim woman living in Spain.
Not a Spanish Muslim woman living in Kashmir?
Your 'opinion' which you posted showed you had no idea what you were talking about... I'm sorry I pointed that out and will try to relax...
White RSX
Aug 23 2004, 01:19 PM
QUOTE(herkalees @ Aug 23 2004, 01:10 PM)
Oh, and for future reference, I am a muslim woman living in Spain.

I'll predict diesel's reaction to this statement:
Dylan
Aug 23 2004, 01:20 PM
Hahah! To make this not spam, the spanish translation thing was pretty funny.
Boxster17
Aug 23 2004, 01:41 PM
Some of that stuff is pretty funny. But seriously, they need to relax a little bit. Since when are people perfect? Mistakes happen....you just have to correct them or deal with it...
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 02:05 PM
I don't think these countries need to go about banning the software for it to not sell. If these blunders are so offensive they won't sell anyway. People get so offended over stupid stuff.
If they had the race as "cracker" in stead of whitey would I complain? No, I'd laugh. Or if they had dickhead instead of male would I care? no.
Everybody is too sensitive and I hate it.
Renesis
Aug 23 2004, 02:05 PM
you don't have any idea of what it means to those poeple so go read NorthPoint's post
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 02:11 PM
QUOTE(Renesis @ Aug 23 2004, 05:05 PM)
you don't have any idea of what it means to those poeple so go read NorthPoint's post
Wow you're right. I really don't know how those people feel. What was I thinking posting this garbage littered with my opinion.
Boxster17
Aug 23 2004, 02:13 PM
No, we don't know. But come on, you can't seriously tell me that you expect Microsoft to be perfect in creating their software. Just cut them a bit of slack....
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:19 PM
Gee, people who stand up for something they believe in is so irritating isn't it? Hey big corporation roll over everything I believe in, I don't care. Or wait, I'm a middle class western teenager who doesn't believe in anything, and can't understand why anyone else would. Hey man, just relax, it's just my opinion.
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 02:22 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 05:19 PM)
Gee, people who stand up for something they believe in is so irritating isn't it? Hey big corporation roll over everything I believe in, I don't care. Or wait, I'm a middle class western teenager who doesn't believe in anything, and can't understand why anyone else would. Hey man, just relax, it's just my opinion.
Microsoft made what is known as a mistake. It happens to everybody not a big deal. You file a complaint with them, they fix it in the update, and we all move along. But wait that's not good enough we need to ban this software in our country.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:23 PM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ Aug 23 2004, 05:05 PM)
I don't think these countries need to go about banning the software for it to not sell. If these blunders are so offensive they won't sell anyway. People get so offended over stupid stuff.
If they had the race as "cracker" in stead of whitey would I complain? No, I'd laugh. Or if they had dickhead instead of male would I care? no.
Everybody is too sensitive and I hate it.

Let me guess, you are not registered to vote.
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 02:25 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 05:23 PM)
Let me guess, you are not registered to vote.
You'd be surprised. I even registered online.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:26 PM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ Aug 23 2004, 05:22 PM)
Microsoft made what is known as a mistake. It happens to everybody not a big deal. You file a complaint with them, they fix it in the update, and we all move along. But wait that's not good enough we need to ban this software in our country.
I know this is a strange concept for many Americans during the current Administration, but your government should protect the interests of its Citizens. India took action to prevent information that it deems is incorrect to be distributed in its country. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country which banned software that was insulting to the Muslim faith. How is any of this overreacting? They didn't ban Microsoft, just the offending software and content.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:27 PM
Northpoint, banning software that labels disputed territory as disputed, instead of bowing to the whims of the government, isn't protecting the interests of its citizens, it's protecting the interests of the people in power.
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 02:28 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
I know this is a strange concept for many Americans during the current Administration, but your government should protect the interests of its Citizens. India took action to prevent information that it deems is incorrect to be distributed in its country. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country which banned software that was insulting to the Muslim faith. How is any of this overreacting?
Maybe this is standard fare in other nations? I'm of the opinion the government needs to interfere in my life/business as little as possible.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:27 PM)
Northpoint, banning software that labels disputed territory as disputed, instead of bowing to the whims of the government, isn't protecting the interests of its citizens, it's protecting the interests of the people in power.
Ah, now lets see what an Indian person says about Kashmir. I don't think you can simply apply your (and the general) western feelings about the subject. And Corporations have to deal with this kind of stuff all the time and should know better.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:33 PM
The objective truth of the matter is that Kashmir is a disputed territory. Claiming it as anything else is distorting the facts, which helps nobody, whether they want to believe falsitudes or not.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:35 PM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ Aug 23 2004, 05:28 PM)
Maybe this is standard fare in other nations? I'm of the opinion the government needs to interfere in my life/business as little as possible.
Well, well, everyone is own their own, yes? Everything isn't about you as an individual you know.
Too bad your government doesn't feel that way since they refuse to join the International Court of Justice where American citizens could be charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:38 PM
WTF are you talking about???

I, for one, agree with fiber...less government is the way to go; less services, less taxes, less meddling in everyday life. America is a hop, skip, and a jump away from communism, and it's sickening.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:39 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:33 PM)
The objective truth of the matter is that Kashmir is a disputed territory. Claiming it as anything else is distorting the facts, which helps nobody, whether they want to believe falsitudes or not.
But it's irrelevant isn't it because that is not how the Indian government feels. China believes Tibet and Taiwan are part of China, most parts of the world don't think they are. Nothing will ever change the minds of China and they will not accept any corporation telling them anything different.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:41 PM
It's not irrelevant, NorthPoint, because the Indian government shouldn'y feel that way. Just because something exists doesn't make change irrelevant! Difficult? Yes, change can be difficult, especially in situations like this, BUT IT IS NEVER IRRELEVANT.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:41 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:38 PM)
WTF are you talking about???

I, for one, agree with fiber...less government is the way to go; less services, less taxes, less meddling in everyday life. America is a hop, skip, and a jump away from communism, and it's sickening.

A hop, skip, and jump away from communism?
Have you ever been to a communist country?
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 02:41 PM
I have nothing more to add. I don't want to argue this or really anything else of a political nature through these forums.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:41 PM)
It's not irrelevant, NorthPoint, because the Indian government shouldn'y feel that way. Just because something exists doesn't make change irrelevant! Difficult? Yes, change can be difficult, especially in situations like this, BUT IT IS NEVER IRRELEVANT.
OH MY GOD!!! Thank you for your AMERICAN point of view. Gee, it's nice to know there is only one point of view in the world. It makes things so much easier.
DakianDelomast
Aug 23 2004, 02:43 PM
Wow this thread got real stupid real quick.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:38 PM)
WTF are you talking about???

I, for one, agree with fiber...less government is the way to go; less services, less taxes, less meddling in everyday life. America is a hop, skip, and a jump away from communism, and it's sickening.

A hop, skip, and jump away from communism?
Have you ever been to a communist country?
Have you ever read the communist manifesto?
In the communist manifesto there are 10 "planks"...the first plank is basically an introduction as to why a communist country is better, and the remaining nine planks are basically suggestions on how to change a non-communist society into a communist society.
ALL 9 OF THE SUGGESTIONS ARE IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY, AND HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES, IF NOT LONGER.
PBB
Aug 23 2004, 02:44 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 05:35 PM)

Well, well, everyone is own their own, yes? Everything isn't about you as an individual you know.
You laugh at personal liberty and the freedoms of a Republic?
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:44 PM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ Aug 23 2004, 05:41 PM)
I have nothing more to add. I don't want to argue this or really anything else of a political nature through these forums.
But it's not a political argument. It's about respecting other points of view and understanding that there are other points of view which are equally valid to your own.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:45 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:43 PM)
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:38 PM)
WTF are you talking about???

I, for one, agree with fiber...less government is the way to go; less services, less taxes, less meddling in everyday life. America is a hop, skip, and a jump away from communism, and it's sickening.

A hop, skip, and jump away from communism?
Have you ever been to a communist country?
Have you ever read the communist manifesto?
In the communist manifesto there are 10 "planks"...the first plank is basically an introduction as to why a communist country is better, and the remaining nine planks are basically suggestions on how to change a non-communist society into a communist society.
ALL 9 OF THE SUGGESTIONS ARE IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY, AND HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES, IF NOT LONGER.
Ok Comrade.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:45 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 02:43 PM)
OH MY GOD!!! Thank you for your AMERICAN point of view. Gee, it's nice to know there is only one point of view in the world. It makes things so much easier.
Jesus fucking christ you are stupid...my point of view is not a fix-all! It's not even that american! My point of view is that change should never be viewed as an impossibility! What the hell is so wrong with that!?
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:45 PM
QUOTE(PowerByBrower @ Aug 23 2004, 05:44 PM)
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 05:35 PM)

Well, well, everyone is own their own, yes? Everything isn't about you as an individual you know.
You laugh at personal liberty and the freedoms of a Republic?
I'm laughing at the idea that the United States is becoming a communist state.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:46 PM
You don't live here, NorthPoint...you don't know all the fine machinations of the country. You haven't studied the US constitution.
You also happen to live in a ridiculously socialist state as-is...
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:48 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:45 PM)
Jesus fucking christ you are stupid...my point of view is not a fix-all! It's not even that american! My point of view is that change should never be viewed as an impossibility! What the hell is so wrong with that!?
Ok, my take on what you said...
The world says Kashmir is a disputed territory.
India does not necessarily feel this way.
India should accept that they are wrong and change their opinion to Kashmir being a disputed territory even if they have a hard time dealing with it.
Did I misinterpret you?
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:50 PM
That's what I meant...how can you argue with that? What is to be gained by India continuing to claim Kashmir is their own? More fighting, more bloodshed?
It's a ridiculously idealistic idea, and you're right that it won't happen, but I continue to be miffed that you seem to be saying that it's better in the current situation.
PBB
Aug 23 2004, 02:50 PM
Bleeding heart liberals...

Canadian bleeding heart liberals...

"The three things you can't change a man's opinion on are sports, politics and red-headed women."
I'm through arguing here...
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:52 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:46 PM)
You don't live here, NorthPoint...you don't know all the fine machinations of the country. You haven't studied the US constitution.
You also happen to live in a ridiculously socialist state as-is...
You're right, I don't. And having grown up in two countries with certain socialist values I am obviously biased in that direction. I haven't studied the American Constitution but I doubt most Americans have as well. I am sure there is a unit in High School but who really remembers any of that anyways.
But the fact that I live in a country with many socialist values and having been born in a country with even stronger socialist values than Canada I can tell you this... the United States is lightyears away from being communist. You're not even liberal or socialist yet!
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 02:56 PM
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Aug 23 2004, 05:50 PM)
That's what I meant...how can you argue with that? What is to be gained by India continuing to claim Kashmir is their own? More fighting, more bloodshed?
It's a ridiculously idealistic idea, and you're right that it won't happen, but I continue to be miffed that you seem to be saying that it's better in the current situation.
But you have to understand that this is your perspective as an outsider?
Look at the biggest mess of them all, the Israel/Palestine question. Who is right there? Who decides who's right?
What if the entire world said that the United States was wrong about something, would you expect the US to simply agree and work towards getting the same opinion.
I agree with you that Kashmir is a disputed territory but that doesn't matter, we are outsiders who don't share the point of view of those involved in the actual conflict. I'm not saying things are better this way or worse, it's just the way it is.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 02:56 PM
Well, you're right that most people haven't studied the US constitution, and it sickens me...it's a short document (although, I think, one of the most brilliant works ever written by man, at least once you throw out the last dozen amendments), but when nobody reads it, they're completely uneducated, and the government happily takes away more and more freedoms.
A ridiculously huge number of laws in the US today are completely unconstitutional, and there's not a whole lot that can be done about it...we have a runaway, out-of-control congress.
And you're right, the US isn't liberal, but even with a conservative government, socialist actions on the government's part are getting more and more common...hell, bush doubled spending in his first few months in office, and most of that went to social programs. (the rest went to the military).
So even though socialism is a typically liberal idea, I'm afraid that the conservative americans have also latched onto the idea.
And no, the US wouldn't just admit fault, and India or Pakistan won't either, but the fact of the matter is that they SHOULD. That they don't and won't is another matter entirely. As for Israel/Palestine, that's impossible to answer, and I think there is no way out of that, until the Islamic nations suddenly decide to embrace Israel, or Israel itself is wiped out.
The ideal government would admit fault. It will never happen.
NorthPoint
Aug 23 2004, 03:05 PM
Cool.
Actually I wouldn't mind reading the US Constitution. Is it available on-line?
We could have endless arguments about politics but like PBB said peoples opinions don't really change.
You talk about the changes that the government is making and that these changes mean a lot to you. It must be incredibly frustrating then to know that so many people don't care enough to vote.
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 03:07 PM
Yeah, the voting issue is bad (what is the US voter turnout, something like 35%???) but what's even worse is that people who do vote who are voting for the guy their uncle likes, or the guy who has "the best nose" (they do exist, it's true). In other words, the average american voter isn't that educated on the candidates or the issues.
And yeah, the US constitution is readily available online. See if you can find an annotated version. I also highly reccomend reading the Declaration of Independence and the Bill Of Rights. They're all short documents...like reading medium-length essays, or something (the actual constitution is a bit boring...it gets muddy up in details, but the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence are quite literary...almost poetic.)
clarkma5
Aug 23 2004, 03:16 PM
Here's the bill of rights:
http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_...transcript.htmlThe declaration of independence:
http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.htmlAnd the United States Constitution:
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.htmlThree brilliant documents that have stood the test of time more than any 200+ year old writing ever should've. They're concise, strong, and practically infallible. Too bad the united states has chosen to ignore the ideals they're based on...
fiber optic
Aug 23 2004, 03:20 PM
QUOTE(NorthPoint @ Aug 23 2004, 05:44 PM)
It's about respecting other points of view and understanding that there are other points of view which are equally valid to your own.
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."
-- Voltaire (Francois Marie Arouet)
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