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clarkma5
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/article_2660.shtml

Basics:

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Unlike past "R" models like the R32 where the engine displacement was part of the name, the numeric designation has been dropped and the model is now simply called Golf R. More importantly, the new model breaks with past Golf R tradition and is now powered by a 270hp turbocharged 2.0l four-cylinder (2.0T) borrowed from the new GTI and sent to the weight room for strength conditioning to the head bolts, connecting rods and engine block.

The new Golf R utilizes a newer version of the Haldex all-wheel-drive system that does not require slip to engage AWD. Rather the new system is pre-primed and looks at throttle position and torque being delivered to determine how much clutch-pack locking to initiate. What this means is if the car is floored from a standing start, the electronics automatically assume that maximum torque is required and pre-engages the AWD system to maximize grip for the launch. When the car is normally driving down the highway in a situation where AWD isn't necessary, the system disengages the AWD clutch pack to reduce frictional losses and improve economy. Overall the new system is far more responsive and progressive in its behavior...

...Volkswagen of America won't officially say whether the Golf R is coming to America. We know they are looking at the numbers to see if it makes sense for our market. Internally Volkswagen of America would like to see both two and four door models with a choice of DSG or six-speed manual offered, but only if it can be done at the right price.


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-The 1,984 cm3 TSI’s specific power is a respectable 100.3 kW/136.6 HP per litre displacement, and its response is just as impressive. The engine’s power can be spontaneously summoned in the blink of an eye throughout its speed range...The four-cylinder engine develops its tremendous propulsive power via a turbocharger (up to 1.2 bar boost pressure) with intercooling. The engine, with a weight of just 152 kilograms (335 lbs.), is controlled by a fully electronic engine management system with E-Gas. The cylinders of the four-cylinder engine have been equipped with reinforcing bolts, unlike less powerful TSI versions. Also designed to be stronger are the connecting rods, so that they can reliably transfer the engine’s high torque to the crankshaft. Last but not least the cylinder block was also reinforced to handle the aggressive engine forces.

-Activation of the all-wheel differential no longer requires a difference in speeds between the front and rear axles. That is because, different than on the previous generation, for the first time an electric pump is used to build pressure. The electric pump supplies oil to a hydraulic reservoir whose working pressure is 30 bar. A control module computes the ideal drive torque for the rear axle and controls, via a valve, how much oil pressure is applied to the working pistons of the multi-plate clutch. The contact pressure at the clutch plates rises in proportion to the desired torque at the rear axle. The amount of torque that is transferred can be varied continuously with the magnitude of the pressure applied to the clutch plates. Compared to the previous 4MOTION generation, the system operates independent of slip, since the system’s working pressure is always available.

-In front the familiar McPherson strut suspension with helical springs and telescoping shock absorbers; and at the rear a multi-link suspension ensures that the standard ESP seldom needs to intervene. Nonetheless, the basic layout was transformed into a sport chassis with ride-height lowered 25 millimetres, and the springs, dampers and stabilisers were completely retuned to match.

-In place of a 16-inch system, a 17-inch brake system is used with internally ventilated discs all around and R-specific brake calipers painted a high-gloss black with R logo. In front the discs are 345 millimetres in diameter, and 310 millimetres at the rear.

-The electronic stabilisation program (ESP) was also modified. It can be switched to a new Sport mode via the ESP button. During very fast and curve-filled drives – as on a circuit – the ESP system delays intervention, enabling even more responsive handling properties. The electro-mechanical power-assisted steering of the Golf R was also given a sportier characteristic. If the sports car is ordered with the optional DCC dynamic chassis control option, the power-assisted steering even assumes a specially tuned characteristic for each of the system’s driving modes (Sport, Normal, Comfort).

-The chassis maintains contact with the road through its standard newly designed 18-inch alloy wheels (“Talladega” type) with 225/40 tyres. As an option, the same wheels are available in a 19-inch version with 235/35 tyres.








Sounds to me like a pretty impressive evolution of the S3 on the updated MkVI chassis. This probably means the R36 will never happen, but I suspect it will be a pretty big improvement over the R32 dynamically, though many will miss that VR6.
moe
I think it looks awesome. I'd definitely rather rock the Scirocco R though.
MustangAficionado
Looks great. Very smoothe and still sporty. But it's too bad it'll be losing that V6 sound and going to just a beefed up version of the GTI.
b0mb3r
as always VWs are tuned conservatively from the factory... I am sure you can get 300WHP from just the chip. I think I read somewhere on whoretex that it is coming to US, but the price and configurations are unknown. If the 5 door with stick with available with around $35K... it would be tempting...
BlackJack
That's such a hot car. Usually I don't like VW, but i'd rock that for sure.
MustangAficionado
QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Sep 15 2009, 03:03 PM) *
as always VWs are tuned conservatively from the factory... I am sure you can get 300WHP from just the chip. I think I read somewhere on whoretex that it is coming to US, but the price and configurations are unknown. If the 5 door with stick with available with around $35K... it would be tempting...

Isn't a new STi 34/35k? I guess this looks better (need more pics of 5 door), but how else it it better?
clarkma5
When it comes to daily driver performance hatches, I suspect the VW will offer the edge in terms of comfort and feature content for the price. Of course, what's gonna make or break this car is how sweetly it puts down its performance numbers. If VW really hits that subjective dynamic nail on the head then I'd say you're gonna find a lot of takers for this over an STi. If they don't...then they won't. And with VW, it's anyone's guess if they'll do it or not.
b0mb3r
QUOTE(MustangAficionado @ Sep 15 2009, 03:36 PM) *
Isn't a new STi 34/35k? I guess this looks better (need more pics of 5 door), but how else it it better?

VW usually offers a nice blend of refinement and performance. This is no doubt is going to be less hardcore then STI but I much rather drive something that does not scream "race" car. I also don't need to mention that this is the SAME drivetrain as audi TT-S...
MustangAficionado
QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Sep 15 2009, 04:53 PM) *
VW usually offers a nice blend of refinement and performance. This is no doubt is going to be less hardcore then STI but I much rather drive something that does not scream "race" car. I also don't need to mention that this is the SAME drivetrain as audi TT-S...

Good point, a TT-S is like 60+k so in comparison this should be a good deal.
But then again you're not buying a TT for the engine, a 270hp turbo I-4 is not something rare now-a-days.
Razor
God damn. sad.gif
911xx
I'd rock one for sure as an all-season practical fun-to-drive daily driver!! thumbs_up.gif
Frederf
I'd prefer it with body color door mirrors and without the sunroof... but I think we have a winnar.
Razor
You know what? I actually don't think it looks that much better than mine (I'll have to see it in gray, though), and the only things I like more about the interior are the steering wheel and that RNS-510. I don't care that the thing makes 270 HP, I'd trade that extra HP for the VR6's sound and balance any day.
Phix
QUOTE(Razor @ Sep 15 2009, 11:44 PM) *
You know what? I actually don't think it looks that much better than mine (I'll have to see it in gray, though), and the only things I like more about the interior are the steering wheel and that RNS-510. I don't care that the thing makes 270 HP, I'd trade that extra HP for the VR6's sound and balance any day.

So, I guess you've heard this thing and driven it at its limit to determine both a) it's sound and b] its balance? I never knew you were a VW Development Driver.
clarkma5
Well I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that this car sounds as good as the VR6, though I bet it does pretty well for a turbo I4. I expect it to be a better car to drive in pretty much every respect over the previous R but time will tell for sure.
Razor
QUOTE(Phix @ Sep 16 2009, 12:01 AM) *
So, I guess you've heard this thing and driven it at its limit to determine both a) it's sound and b] its balance? I never knew you were a VW Development Driver.


It'll drive better, but a turbo just makes the engine different than NA in such a way that it won't have the same power and torque curves. As for the sound, there's no way in hell it will sound better.
Phix
I'll admit I never even read a word about the Golf VI R. For all I know it comes with a 1.5L V12.
Razor
QUOTE(Phix @ Sep 16 2009, 12:15 AM) *
I'll admit I never even read a word about the Golf VI R. For all I know it comes with a 1.5L V12.


12 thimbles?
clarkma5
Hey the Porsche 360 had a 1.5 liter flat-16.
Phix
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Sep 16 2009, 12:39 AM) *
Hey the Porsche 360 had a 1.5 liter flat-16.

Don't you mean a flat-12?

The Auto Unions were the one with the 16 cyls.
OHirtenfelder
This thing looks hawt. Also VW are usually quite conservative with their performance figures, so the 5.5 to 100 looks like a very possible time for this to achieve. I would almost imagine this to be better balanced than the outgoing R32, because there will be less weight over the front wheels.
caster
DO want, this thing is secks! I really hope it comes to the US, but they need to watch out with the price range, if it steps into the mid 30ks, then this thing is definitely STi/EVO competition. Although it seems to look like it would be a great competitor! (A little short on HP, but depending on how it drives it definitely doesn't mean that its a deal breaker).
clarkma5
QUOTE(Phix @ Sep 15 2009, 09:51 PM) *
Don't you mean a flat-12?

The Auto Unions were the one with the 16 cyls.

You're right, the Porsche was a 12 cylinder and the Auto Union cars ran both 12 and 16 cylinder engines at different times.
Stink
Im not a big Fan of the new Golf vi R id rather have the Sirroco R, im prob a bit biased as I drive a Mkiv R32 imo the most agreesive looking R

b0mb3r
QUOTE(Razor @ Sep 15 2009, 08:12 PM) *
It'll drive better, but a turbo just makes the engine different than NA in such a way that it won't have the same power and torque curves. As for the sound, there's no way in hell it will sound better.

yeah that's true... but the DI engines have pretty fat torque curves... so it should not be as jumpy.
b0mb3r
so... here is an interesting strike against this car... it uses a beefed up version of the FSI engine... to give you some background: FSI is the first generation of the turbocharged directl injected 2.0T; since then VAG has revised with the TSI motor which has several improvements that make it less of a maintenance nightmare. These improvements include:
  • Roller type cam follower (no more that tappet crap that wears out and causes headaches and expensive repairs)
  • Updated PCV system that supposed to reduce oil consumption and carbon built up on the intake valves.
  • Timing chain instead of a timing belt


My car has this after mentioned FSI motor, it is great from drive ability and performance standpoint but it is also extremely sensitive to pretty much anything. Honestly, if the R comes with this FSI motor, I would have think long and hard if I want to sign up for this again.
dukenukem
QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Sep 15 2009, 06:53 PM) *
VW usually offers a nice blend of refinement and performance. This is no doubt is going to be less hardcore then STI but I much rather drive something that does not scream "race" car. I also don't need to mention that this is the SAME drivetrain as audi TT-S...

So a car for the POOOOOOOOOOSSSSSAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!
Diesel
doesn't matter. VW isn't bringing it here anyways. They ALWAYS pull shit like that!

No Scirroco, no Eurovan, No R!
b0mb3r
QUOTE(Diesel @ Sep 18 2009, 02:50 PM) *
no Eurovan

oh... you were upset about that? whistle.gif
Diesel
i would love to see a eurovan here. instead of the fake pretend chrysler thingy.
moe
QUOTE(Diesel @ Sep 19 2009, 01:50 AM) *
doesn't matter. VW isn't bringing it here anyways. They ALWAYS pull shit like that!


Where'd you read that? I've read on several sites that the Golf R is coming to the US.
Ozi
I am pretty sure this car will be fun with DSG and a lighter chassis than the previous r, but I still hope that they offer manual.
Razor
Wait... is the Scirocco R AWD?
911xx
I wish it is! It would be the STI killer I always wanted... two doors... AWD.. turbo...

*EDIT: just read on it, and apparently it doesn't have AWD. still, it's a gorgeous looking car IMO.
clarkma5
Yeah Scirocco R is FWD and Golf VI R is AWD.
Ozi
I have seen the Scirocco in Europe and it doesnt look nearly as good as the pictures, especially that WIDE rear.
350Z
If anything I would say the Scirocco looks even better on the road.
moe
QUOTE(Ozi @ Sep 22 2009, 02:10 AM) *
I have seen the Scirocco in Europe and it doesnt look nearly as good as the pictures, especially that WIDE rear.


No.

QUOTE(350Z @ Sep 22 2009, 09:41 AM) *
If anything I would say the Scirocco looks even better on the road.


Yeah, I'll agree with that. A friend of mine has one, and I think it looks fantastic. Certainly better than any other coupe in the same price range.
OHirtenfelder
The Scirocco is the best looking car in its class by MMMMIIIIILLLLLEEEEESSSSS. I would put it in the top 3 best looking cars on the road right now (here in SA at least) along side the new Fiesta and something else, not 100% sure what yet.
Also the Scirocco is pure enjoyment to drive.
moe
I'm guessing the Scirocco is a common sight in SA? In Saudi Arabia (traditionally a bad market for two-doors) they seem to be nonexistent, and I'd see like one a month in Dubai if it weren't for the fact that a close friend owns one.
OHirtenfelder
I wouldn't call them common by a long shot. But they have their market here, although initial figures were at only 500 this year. But I see one every now and again. Enough to get stoked but few enough to let the car keep a bit of exclusivity over the GTI( which is common as puke here)
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