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Dr. Strangelove
Just a little question. You don't have to respond if you don't want to, I am just curious.
Bjorn
Anita Neville (our Member of Parliament).

Yes, Canada is having a freaking federal election just before yours, which was called at the beginning of September.
mung35
Obama... by default... I think I just like Biden the best of the four... so I chose his other half.
Mitlov
I'm going to vote for Biden.

See, the way I see it, McCain would die in four years, and Obama unfortunately will likely get capped by a Klansmember, so I'm all about voting for the VP wink.gif

In all seriousness, I don't really like Obama, but I dislike McCain much more. So Obama it is.
clarkma5
I've been set on Obama for awhile. The Biden/Palin picks just clinched it. None of them are perfect but Obama has the temperment to be prez, Biden's got the experience to back it up, and I'm more on board with a liberal agenda than a conservative one (particularly the current republican party, which is schizo between classic and neo conservatism).
goota
Third Party - Ralph Nader

There is no way im voting for someone who cares about corporations more than they do about the american people. AKA republicans,democrats.

I am not throwing my vote away, or taking votes away from obama, mainly because i wouldnt vote for him in the first place. Their policies are pretty much the same give me no real incentive to vote for one or the other. Its a shame that our elections have come to people needing to vote for the least worst candidate.
mitch_f1
Funny parody if your interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLocRQJM6ok
clarkma5
^^ haha yes so good. I love Tina Faye as Sarah Palin, she's spot on.
fiber optic
Third Party

EDIT: I would like to clarify that I will actually be voting FOR a 3rd party and not just against the others.
Goat
ron paul
b0mb3r
i am scared shitless of Palin... and yeah Ralph Nader is a douche; he is all anti-business... Its great but with his policies there would be no jobs.
dukenukem
QUOTE(Goat @ Oct 10 2008, 08:23 AM) *
ron paul

+1
goota
QUOTE(b0mb3r @ Oct 10 2008, 06:51 AM) *
i am scared shitless of Palin... and yeah Ralph Nader is a douche; he is all anti-business... Its great but with his policies there would be no jobs.

He is needed in the political spectrum, ofcourse he is not going to win. If you understood the tiniest thing about him you would understand that one of his biggest things he tries to do is to get the other major candidates talking about issues and ways of solving issues which are much much more relevant to the vast majority of americans, which are so often ignored or swept under the rug so to speak.

If by some chance of miracle he won, he would not be a successful president at all, his policies would all be shut down because of the current composition of congress and so on.
Mitlov
I just wish Ralph Nader would find a way to "start discussions" which didn't entail shaving a few percentage of Democratic voters away from the Democratic party in two very tight races. Thanks, Ralph, Dubya has been GREAT, keep up the good work rolleyes.gif

Nader may believe that Democrats and Republicans are just tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee, so it doesn't matter in the end. But for those of us who care about gay rights, abortion, universal health care, and the Iraq War, there is indeed a very significant difference between Democratic agendas and Republican agendas.
pollard
mccain
I have never really agreed with the left. I somewhat agree with the right.
I am pretty much a conservative and so I am going to go with the republicans.
911xx
b0mb3r
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Oct 10 2008, 08:02 AM) *
I just wish Ralph Nader would find a way to "start discussions" which didn't entail shaving a few percentage of Democratic voters away from the Democratic party in two very tight races. Thanks, Ralph, Dubya has been GREAT, keep up the good work rolleyes.gif

Nader may believe that Democrats and Republicans are just tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee, so it doesn't matter in the end. But for those of us who care about gay rights, abortion, universal health care, and the Iraq War, there is indeed a very significant difference between Democratic agendas and Republican agendas.

Yeah, I don't understand the people who feel that they are making an anti-establishment statement by voting for Ralph Nader... Unfortunately they don't realize that, by voting Nader they are effectively voting for the republicans. Just my $0.02
clarkma5
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Oct 10 2008, 09:02 AM) *
I just wish Ralph Nader would find a way to "start discussions" which didn't entail shaving a few percentage of Democratic voters away from the Democratic party in two very tight races. Thanks, Ralph, Dubya has been GREAT, keep up the good work rolleyes.gif

Nader may believe that Democrats and Republicans are just tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee, so it doesn't matter in the end. But for those of us who care about gay rights, abortion, universal health care, and the Iraq War, there is indeed a very significant difference between Democratic agendas and Republican agendas.


That's my complaint with the Green party as well. They're not even in the ballpark of winning, all they do is hurt the party that's closest to their ideologies in favor of the party that's farthest from their ideologies. Winning strategy, that.
Mitlov
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 10 2008, 11:17 AM) *
That's my complaint with the Green party as well. They're not even in the ballpark of winning, all they do is hurt the party that's closest to their ideologies in favor of the party that's farthest from their ideologies. Winning strategy, that.


Thank god this time around, Ron Paul will hopefully counter-balance Ralph Nader, siphoning off a few percent of Republicans.
clarkma5
Ron Paul's not even the Libertarian candidate anymore, it's Bob Barr now. And frankly Ron Paul had a pretty strong appeal among democrats anyway, it's Bob Barr who's much more firmly in place to siphon off Republican votes.
fiber optic
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 10 2008, 01:17 PM) *
That's my complaint with the Green party as well. They're not even in the ballpark of winning, all they do is hurt the party that's closest to their ideologies in favor of the party that's farthest from their ideologies. Winning strategy, that.



To suggest that 3rd party voters should vote for one of the big 2 is asinine. I find the idea of voting for the proverbial 'lesser evil' to be a wasted vote. If I disagree with your stance you're not getting my vote, period. If Cthulu himself takes office because I voted 3rd party then so be it. I'm not going to make compromises and no one should. america.gif
Mitlov
QUOTE(fiber optic @ Oct 10 2008, 01:15 PM) *
To suggest that 3rd party voters should vote for one of the big 2 is asinine. I find the idea of voting for the proverbial 'lesser evil' to be a wasted vote. If I disagree with your stance you're not getting my vote, period. If Cthulu himself takes office because I voted 3rd party then so be it. I'm not going to make compromises and no one should. america.gif


It all comes down to whether you think voting should be about principle or utility. If you think voting should be about principle, hell, we should all write in who we think would be the absolute best for the job. If you are primarily concerned about controlling who actually ends up in office, though, then it doesn't matter if Chuck Norris is running with Jesus of Nazareth as his running mate, if they don't stand a chance of getting elected, there's no point in voting for them.

I, personally, see my vote as a means for controlling the government instead of as a means for expressing my beliefs, so I won't vote for someone I know won't win, even if I really like them.
mung35
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Oct 10 2008, 12:20 PM) *
It all comes down to whether you think voting should be about principle or utility. If you think voting should be about principle, hell, we should all write in who we think would be the absolute best for the job. If you are primarily concerned about controlling who actually ends up in office, though, then it doesn't matter if Chuck Norris is running with Jesus of Nazareth as his running mate, if they don't stand a chance of getting elected, there's no point in voting for them.

I, personally, see my vote as a means for controlling the government instead of as a means for expressing my beliefs, so I won't vote for someone I know won't win, even if I really like them.


There are two people you don't talk down to. Chuck Norris and Jesus. But both of them, that's gutsy. Hopefully Jack Bauer will on your side.
Mitlov
QUOTE(mung35 @ Oct 10 2008, 02:47 PM) *
There are two people you don't talk down to. Chuck Norris and Jesus. But both of them, that's gutsy.


Meh, I'm a Jewboy. We don't just talk down to Jesus, we killed him.

...or so Mel Gibson says.
clarkma5
...why is voting for one of the two parties NECESSARILY a lesser-of-two-evils vote? Honestly I think that the democrats best represent my views of what's good for this country.
Dr. Strangelove
I am honestly pretty happy with both candidates. I like what a lot of them say. People see elections as a lesser of two evils because we all focus on the negative. But I really feel like both Obama, and McCain could bring some good to America. Right now I am undecided, but I am ATM leaning toward Obama.
infinity
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 10 2008, 12:47 AM) *
I've been set on Obama for awhile. The Biden/Palin picks just clinched it. None of them are perfect but Obama has the temperment to be prez, Biden's got the experience to back it up, and I'm more on board with a liberal agenda than a conservative one (particularly the current republican party, which is schizo between classic and neo conservatism).
Pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly. I am a registered Democrat and ever since I saw/heard Obama speak when he came to NC, I have been set on voting for him.
Flaw
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 10 2008, 07:55 PM) *
...why is voting for one of the two parties NECESSARILY a lesser-of-two-evils vote? Honestly I think that the democrats best represent my views of what's good for this country.

Because you're still voting for a system that fundamentally enslaves its citizens due to monetary/political/religious institutions based on the individual profit of a select few, not the cohesive unity of the entire population (which, needless to say, no candidate represents)?!@!





Someone was going to post it eventually :|
midnightdorifto
QUOTE(Flaw @ Oct 12 2008, 08:01 PM) *
Because you're still voting for a system that fundamentally enslaves its citizens due to monetary/political/religious institutions based on the individual profit of a select few, not the cohesive unity of the entire population (which, needless to say, no candidate represents)?!@!
Someone was going to post it eventually :|

Uh...what?

And capitalism isn't based on the individual profit of a select few. Those evil, terrible, satanic corporations employ, or utilize the labor of indirectly, most of the people in this country. Cohisive unity would work great if everyone actually gave an equal effort to society, but, since I'm already sounding like an arrogant fuck, I'll go ahead and say that this definitely is not the case. Capitalism is about creating the opportunity for everyone to live the life they desire, anything less than that goes ahead and sets up framework for this to occur based on what someone else believes is the right way to do things and, to be honest, I don't particularly like that situation.

Disclaimer: I'm not too familiar with the Zeitgeist deal, but I'm definitely smelling conspiracy theorists somewhere in that mix...

Back on topic, I'm thinking about voting for a Zombie Reagan/Zombie Harding write-in ticket. Both candidates have lost my full respect with their endorsement of the bail-out bill (not as though I had much respect for either to start), but I can definitely pick out which one I want less than the other.
clarkma5
midnight, I think Flaw was being sarcastic with the zeitgest stuff.
midnightdorifto
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Oct 13 2008, 02:31 PM) *
midnight, I think Flaw was being sarcastic with the zeitgest stuff.

In retrospect, that should have been obvious.

I'm running on caffiene and willpower right now, Corporate Taxation 70640 has me all sorts of beat up.
Mitlov
God I hated learning corporate taxation. Worst. Class. Ever.
BlackJack
Obama all the way. He's making some really good goals and McCain sucks balls. Yeah sure, he would lower gas prices, but he wants to continue the war in Iraq. Obama is not willing to lower gas prices, but he wants to withdraw the troops from Iraq. Now which would you rather have?
clarkma5
...I'd hate to think you see politics as nothing but Iraq and gas prices...
BlackJack
I know you just think that I'm just basing it on those two things, but it's those two things that are important for the economy. Of course I'd take other goals into consideration. I still see Obama winning by a landslide.
Lancer007
I'm voting for Captian Kirk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dtP5dBHdo
Dr. Strangelove
I have to say, I am really against Obama's stance on gun control. I think I am going to be voting for him anyway.
Bjorn
QUOTE(Lancer007 @ Oct 14 2008, 09:12 AM) *



If I were an American, I would vote republican if Kirk were running...almost just so I could shout "KIRRRRRK!" every time he did something I didn't like.
mung35
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Oct 13 2008, 04:25 PM) *
God I hated learning corporate taxation. Worst. Class. Ever.


Corporate Tax was cool if you took it with my nutjob professor.
marianalba
I go for obama, when he succeeded, he's the ever first black president...
Razor
QUOTE(marianalba @ Oct 16 2008, 09:28 AM) *
I go for obama, when he succeeded, he's the ever first black president...


Well I sure hope someone of your education level can't vote, with that grammar and all. spam.gif
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