My Bad. Thanks for he correction. That's what I meant. GT-R's are the business.

Isn't the current "Nissan Skyline" just the Infiniti G sedan and/or coupe with a Nissan badge?

Yeah but honestly... you'd have to have some pretty tiny balls if you just squatted down 110+grand for either of these cars and you are going to choose one over the other cause its X amount of time faster around the ring'. I mean fuck, I'd straight up punch a dude in the face if I had a GT-R or a 911 Turbo and someone said "Why didn't you get the other car? Its 9 seconds faster around the ring?"

They are world class super cars, enjoy them. Its not all a race, with cars like these IMO its about emotion not lap times.

^ I cannot agree more. We could argue this over a hundred pages, but in the end, what NewJordan says is so true.

I don't think its the fact that someone would buy one car over the other because of a 9 sec difference around the 'ring for $110k. I think its more the fact that if you're going to spend $110k on one car or another, you at least want to have the facts straight. I know it doesn't really matter which one is 9 seconds faster, but if you're going to be dropping over $100k on a car, you at least want to know that the one you're buying (or deciding against) isn't bullshitting their numbers (or calling BS if the figures aren't false).

^My main interest is the fact that Nissan didn't say "this is one fucking fast car" nor did they say "this car is really fast on it's own merit". What they did say (at least in almost every piece I read on the car) is "We used the 997 Turbo as our performance benchmark, and we beat it round the 'ring".

That is why if the 'Ring car ends up being a ringer I'll laugh lots.

Maybe it's not actually Nissan stirring this pot up...maybe its more the fact that every article on the car seemingly has to mention this fact. I dunno.

Yeah, if a company is caught cheating, it's horrible for the company's image. Yamaha Motor Company a few years back introduced a new R6 with "a 17,500 redline." Turns out, their tachometers had inflated numbers by 1000 rpm or more. They got caught when shops started putting the bikes on dynos and noticed that the tachometer on the bike didn't match the shop's unit--and always by the same amount. Yamaha ended up with some real shit on its face, had to offer to buy back the R6 of anyone who felt cheated, and some people dismissed that generation R6 as a joke. Never mind that it was still a brilliant sportsbike...getting caught cheating tarnished its image a ton. So I can see why people would be interested in whether Nissan is cheating.

But I really, really don't think Nissan cheated and used a ringer (see post #50), so this is all academic.

^^ Can you say Mazda RX-8 horsepower snafu?

I think this fiasco might lead to an official set of rules that must be followed and be overseen by officals to get a "certified" 'ring time. There are too many variables to how one manufacturer runs it to the other. Similar to how some companies such as GM have their engine outputs SAE certified...

I'd take Uwe's Seven over a GT-R any minute of the day...
Manual +1

I don't think my 80 year old neighbor will care about nissan being a bit faster on the lap. We can argue this all 20 pages haha. But yea, if Nissan cheated it would be hilarious

Hey at least they used Porsche as their benchmark. That says a lot IMO(for Porsche). At the same time though, if it does turn out to be bullshit, it makes it that much worse.

I agree completely, if a company wants to tout ring times in their advertising brochure, then they should be certified.

Maybe this is an opportunity for a new company. We could move to Germany and certify the world coolest cars. I can think of worse things to spend my day doing.

That being said, I trust Walter Rohl completely. If he says a car can or can't do something I would take that as fact. So if he took the GT-R around, I would be completely satisfied with the result.

"Your cars lap time round the ring can only be certified with a member of the dieselstation community present."

Paint your car with b00st is a douche. Then, do it.

That's not fair to the others, it would take at least 10 seconds off their laptimes.

In the ZR1 vs. GT-R argument, the GT-R may most likely win, because it can't lose to something that doesn't exist.

I cannot believe that they would cancel something that's so far along and that they're so proud of...

If they're losing their ass on each one, I would see them jacking up the price significantly and/or making it a super-limited edition before flat-out cancelling it.

Or pull a VAG/Porsche and loose a bit of money for the good of their cooperate image.

Although those companies can stand to loose a bit of money...now...but back when the 959 was produced Porsche wasn't as hot as it is now.

Just to speculate, I wonder if this has anything to do with the $25,000,000,000 bailout. Maybe they are being forced to cut projects which are either not profitable or would have them go further into debt.

...GM isn't in the financial situation for that. Porsche, on the other hand, has been the most profitable car company for basically the last decade.

According to Autoblog, who contacted GM, the rumors about the ZR1 are false.

Well that wraps that up, then. I said I didn't believe they'd cancel it, didn't I?

Now after that brief interruption, back to the GTR..

Nissan proves tire dilemma, and offers Porsche driving lessons:

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/motoring...heat_claim_gtr/




Again!

In a recent convo with a friend with some connections, this is what he said:



The more I think about it, the more it makes sense... GM or Ford would be the last piece to the economic meltdown... the real question is... will we have the resources to float them back up? Think Chrysler-Lee Iacocca circa 1979? That was $1.5 bill back then. This will be at least 10x larger considering the size of Ford/GM and inflation.

that shit's getting a little old

Never gets old.

Umberto!

A reminder from way back when DS used to be cool.

Well played sir.

What Chris Harris has to say about it. For those of you who aren't familiar with him, he's a die-hard Porsche fan, petrolhead, and also loves the GT-R.

^^

Called that...

The Truth

^Very interesting. I had never heard of Driver's Republic before you posted this link.

I think that article summed it up pretty good...

I've actually stopped buying magazines because of it. Chris Harris was a childhood hero of mine, I grew up reading his pieces in Autocar, and most of the other journos came from Evo, which is just about as good as it gets when it comes to car mags. They all teamed up and created DR, which is brilliant tbh. Best motoring publication available, plus it's free, and the features are awesome...nevermind the videos. I believe Duality and Clark are fans as well.

I like how the article highlighted a side of the GT-R no one seems to have heard of yet. It's apparently tricky in the wet, which takes away the whole "Playstation on wheels" moniker, and the performance isn't quite as accessible as everyone says it is. It's also interesting that its massive weight is actually an issue here...those are things I've never heard before. It makes the GT-R more real to me, and less soulless.

^fuck...I'm dumb, I didn't even read who the author was...Although it sounded very familiar. I fucking love Chris Harris. He was one of the main highlights of GT Porsche...now that he is gone, there is a noticeable downgrade in the quality of writing.

I would probably join you in your decision to not buy magazines anymore if DR turns out to be as good as you say, but I get to write them off anyway...so there is little incentive. Plus I like the fact that I can index my magazines for easy reference purposes.

Now that I know who the author is though, this might cause some flack...Chris Harris is a huge fan of Porsche's in general, and the GT2 in specific. To call him slightly biased would be an understatement.

^ He's also a big fan of the new GT-R though. Before leaving to start DR, he wrote a comparison in Autocar, where he clearly stated the GT-R was a superior car to the 997 Turbo. I've followed his work through the ages, and I'm well aware of his love for Porsches...but he's not so biased to misrepresent facts, and he's also very partial towards the GT-R. So I think it's a fair write-up.

I'll buy CAR and TG mags once in a while...but the level of journalism in DR is astounding. I love DR..except that they take too long to add new stuff and updates/

There was a time when I was just watching Chris's videos on Autocar..guess he found something better. Now post up better videos damn it

You're right...it's unfair for me to call him biased, he did replace a 993 GT2 and a 993 C2 with an E90 M3

I loved Chris on Camera...I watched every episode all in one go.

I put up another vote for the brilliantness of DR. They have an insight that few places can match, nevermind exceed.