Stock '88 535i with no lsd... having fun in the rain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCADD4Tznu0

You are a crazy motherfucker. I'm impressed yet concerned and how easy things could go wrong...

I thought you meant in a fucking parking lot.

You crazy Quebecer!

nah, parking lot are boring, I prefer semi-high speed drifting, it's more... dangerous lol

sick drift matt.

and for reference this was safe for quebec driving

^Typical Ontario attitude

I love Quebecer driving...it's by far my favourite province to drive in. They obey all the important rules (like slower traffic keep right) and treat the others like suggestions (like speed limits).

There is a dent mark in the railing, that is where Matt crashed when practicing.

This is why the '80s cars were the best.

LOL you're almost right haha



Agreed! This is my fourth '80s car and everyone of them was a blast to drive, even with all the problems they had lol

aww i want rwd

wait for the LS400 drift vid.

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instant death

damn thats a sweet car, and a sweet drift! I soooooooooo miss mine. I even had the same steering wheel in mine.

Nice drift, Matt.

lol that must've been quite a spectacle for anyone looking in their rear view mirrors at you.

Your an idiot, do you know how wrong that could have gone? I see semi's passing in front of you, what if you had "drifted" into a semi coming up to the left of you? You could have killed yourself or anyone else on that roadway.

^thanks for ruining the party... jerk.

but yes, that was dangerous to yourself and others, yet at the same time.... so fucking AWESOME. bwahaha

If it rained in Saudi Arabia...that's what'd be happening around here. It was dangerous, but still awesome.

Get the fuck outta here, and go back to finalgear!!! ( that rimes, my god I'm awesome )

Only finalgear little bitches complain about how WRONG that would have gone then go off and ban the driver....

What a great car "enthusiast" forum finalgear is eh?

^Furthermore I'm willing to bet that people on this forum who have not engaged in something questionable on a public street are in the minority. Whether it's speeding, taking a corner too fast, rolling through a stop sign or racing a guy off the line I'm sure we're all guilty of something. The only difference is Matt filmed this.

Personally I take delight in practising pendulum turns after heavy snowfalls, and driving faster than I should down logging roads...so I'm in no place to criticize Matt.

Of course...

My handbrake line is getting looser and looser as more winters go by...

Life's no fun without risks, their definitely not worth the consequences these days but when you don't overdo it, the likely hood of things to go wrong are slim....

this happens all the time in montreal guys.

^ Sounds like Saudi Arabia.

I'm with Maxima. Drifting is awesome, but there's a time and a place for it. Namely, a closed course, an empty parking lot, or, at minimum, an empty roadway. I'm not saying that Matt and the rest of us need to follow every traffic law to the letter, but common sense has to kick in at some point. If you're following one car closely, and another is following you, and you're merging onto a highway with a significant amount of traffic, now is not the time to step out the rear end for the hell of it.



I've got no problem with people risking their own lives. Problem is, drifting on a public roadway when you're surrounded by other drivers puts them at risk as well, which is when I start to have a problem.

Surrounded by people? In this case the highway was freaking empty, the only thing that could of gone wrong is that he would have gone off the onramp..

And obviously you don't skid on onramps when its rush hour.......

One more thing, i don't think you know but montreal is one of the worst places to be in the winter. Matt has owned plenty of rwd with no t/c or any other aids and presumably never had an affair with a ditch or any other sort of major fuck up. This means that Matt has an act for driving and knows when its ok to fuck around and when not to.

*I wouldn't try this because lacking rwd experience and driving experience overall. When people in my case decide to do something like this thats when things tend to go wrong, so as long as you know your place on the food chain you'd be fine.... And fuck I'm tired of people saying that putting other motorists at risk is soo messed up(as long as your sober)... Fuck other motorists, they should be able to care for themselves and be cautious in avoiding problems. Life is fucked up, people die in cars all the time, theres nothing we can do, so why care?

Just to recap,

I wouldn't have done this if:

- I wouldn't have owned rwd cars for 4-5 years, driven in winter too
- I wouldn't trust myself, ie: know my limits
- I wouldn't know the car, ie: know it limits
- I wouldn't know the place

The only thing I'm guilty of is filming. I'm sure everyone who says "that's stupid" has done something as much stupid as this or worse. You be your own judge.

I knew I could do it and I won't do it again because I don't feel I have to do it again, it's done, let's move on to something else. Don't think I won't do it again cause what "keep it on the track" people said made me think "oh that was plain wrong and stupid", I just don't need to do it again because I know I'm able to do it. Next time I want to try something crazier, I'll wait until I have a drift car and a race track to do it, I'm not stupid enough to endanger someone else's life.

Remember kids, it's totally fine to recklessly endanger complete strangers while having fun, because if they get hurt it's THEIR fault for not being good enough at staying out of your way! (Unless your recklessness involves a few beers, in which case you're an asshat).



40 seconds into the video: an SUV (Ford Escape, maybe?) is in the lane he is merging into as he is drifting. If he had lost control, he likely would have clipped this vehicle. Not an empty roadway. Similar situation at 1:13. Once again, merging onto a road, with traffic in the lane he's merging into, while drifting. At 1:44, comes surprisingly close to the car in front of him while drifting one-handed and merging onto another road.

In addition, we cannot see who is behind him. But given that there are cars in front of him, it's safe to bet that there are cars behind him too. If he was to screw up mid-turn, he would not necessarily just end up in a ditch. At some points (35 seconds in), there are guardrails which would direct him back into the lane of traffic like a pinball (and possibly into a crash with someone behind him). Also, at 29 seconds into the video, a strip of grass (with no ditch or wall) separates him from another lane of traffic. If he lost it at that point, the vehicle could be carried into oncoming traffic.

Maybe this isn't big-city rush hour, but your assertion that the highway is "empty" is simply not true. There are plenty of other road users on it.

If I ever crash and kill someone, I will take full responsability, I'm old enough to be responsable (sp?) of my acts. And for the second part, I know it was not completly empty, but read what I wrote before your post.

How thoughtful of you. I bet that will make the widow/widower feel much better about their loss.



I was writing what I wrote before you posted your post. It didn't change my mind one bit though. Everyone who has ever done something really stupid that got themselves or someone else hurt thought that they knew what they were doing and would be just fine. I don't care how much you trust your own abilities. It's what you're doing that's the problem. Drifting does not belong on populated public roads. Full stop.

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Know your limits stay within them, do crazy shit when the risk in minimal, try not to be a douche, stay away from other people like you when their doing crazy shit (this applies when you have some control in the situation facing you). This is basically what I meant...

Full Speed ahead....

I think that you being a father has changed your outlook on life or w.e. Being a teenager I can only give a fuck about me and the people I really care about.

By knowing my limits I have kept out of trouble and had fun on the same time. I have endangered other's peoples safety at times which I'm not proud of.

I don't consider myself a douche because my daily driving is saint like, from time to time I just like to have fun....

You have some really good points that I'm reluctant in admitting them but at the same time I rather take the risk and feel like I'm a bit different than anybody else on the road.

I'm inclined to agree with Mitlov.

Have you ever been on a race track, Matt L? I have three times, and it has completely changed my perception about what can be done on a public road. When driving fast in a controlled race-track environment, everyone's giving it their full concentration, marshalls are watching for mechanical failures, there's plenty of runoff area in case something goes awry, everyone's going the same direction, the road surface is consistent, etc. Plus, you and all the people around you have accepted the risks of performance driving before driving on the track, skidpad, drag strip, etc.

On the public road you have none of that. Everything's variable, you can trust no other driver to do anything, there's way way way more things to hit, and the people around you have not accepted the risks of performance antics because they DO NOT EXPECT IT. I don't care how safe your car is or how confident you are in your abilities. When you're on the public road, way too many things are out of your control to be safe.

It's an impressive display of car control. But it was done in the completely wrong venue. Even as a performance enthusiast, I think I would be enraged to see you doing that on the public road.

EDIT: The attitude of "I know my limits and don't feel I have to care for anyone else" is extremely immature, m_weinerich. Not to mention that 99% of the population thinks they're great drivers but 99% of that 99% aren't. You're not special, you just think you are, which is very dangerous.

no one's winning this argument

Was it cool? The coolest, no doubt. Was it in the wrong place? Yes. But was it cool? Of course.

You kinda got me all wrong, I'm extremely mature for my age... I don't think I'm special at all, I've never gone over my limits,EVER. I was given a 45 grand car
as my first car, i never got close to getting ditched.... trust was built between me and my parents. And I've had tons of fun while getting valuable driving experience. Sure anything could of gone wrong but guess what it didn't, hopefully it will stay that way until I will be self-dependent and can take full responsibility of my actions. When I was 16 I got hit by a car while riding my bike, I flew about 10-20 meters. I consider myself being very lucky to be alive, so fuck it i'll live my life to the fullest and hope for the best. Obviously I will not have the same attitude in the years to come but for now I just take it one day at a time....

The rest of your post is directly contrary to that statement.

If we were to be face to face you would get what I mean. I cant really express myself through words on the net because I think in romanian and not in english....

I get you pretty well. You think you're especially mature and thus my judgment shouldn't apply to you. Well, guess what, 90% of teenagers think they're "especially mature". I repeat, you're not special, you just think you are.

In fact, you've caught yourself in a catch-22. By using the fact that you're especially worthy of being allowed to be reckless because you're mature, you've proven that you're really not because that really is an immature attitude. Trust me, this will all make sense to you in a few years (I hope...)

Yep, your 100% right...

I'm gonna change by the time ill be 19, I've already started not to severely speed as much on freeways. Hope that ill be able to say that I don't speed/drive douche at all in the next couple of years.

Yes, I've done stupid, hurtful things in the past. I won't burden you with an item-by-item list of all the things I did during my "I'm invincible and I know everything" phase which had serious, long-term consequences on others. I will tell you, though, about one particular situation. I liked to use several canyons in Colorado as my own personal racetracks. I steadfastly believed that I was riding my motorcycle within my motorcycle's limits and within my limits. Thing is, when carving through a sweeper, concentrating on making the perfect racing line and focusing my attention on the corner's exit, I slammed headlong into a wild dog that had dashed into the road. It died. It did not die quickly or painlessly. I told myself that I couldn't have avoided it, that it ran into the road, but truth be told, it had to run across 50 yards of flat field to get to the road, and if I had been in a public-road-driving mentality instead of a racetrack mentality, I would have been watching the shoulders instead of blocking out everything but apexes and exits.

If the point of my posts was "you're a moron and a bad person," I would be a hypocrite. But that's not what I'm trying to say, and I'm sorry if that's all your hearing. My point is that your act showed a remarkable degree of selfishness and bad judgment, and I hope you would refrain from doing so in the future. And the fact that I've been down that road, and have killed in the process, and deeply regret that, should make my point more persuasive instead of less.

Considering that you seem to acknowledge that there is some inherent danger to drifting and other stunting ("Next time I want to try something crazier, I'll wait until I have a drift car and a race track to do it, I'm not stupid enough to endanger someone else's life"), I wish you'd rethink your bottom line that "the only thing I'm guilty of is filming."

I agree with you guys, it was not the brightess thing to do, but what was done has been done, there was no crash and there won't be any crash because like I said, I will not do it again. I might do it at night at 2 or 3 am when no one will be around, but I'm not willing to risk it again.

Clarkma, yes I've been on a track and yes I agree with what you say. But this video doesn't represent my driving habits. I've done it at this time of the day for the video purpose (good lighting) and never will I do it again with that much people on the streets, think of it as a "one off". I usually go at a place with no one around, this is a exception. I know it's a poor excuse, but it is what it is. I won't argue anymore over this...

Well I think as long as there's a realization. Like Mitlov said, I can't say I haven't done anything stupid on the public road either (though I have been good about not doing anything in really busy places). It almost sounds dumb to say it, but...as long as you feel guilty about it, ya know? As long as you realize you're not invincible or infallible, then that's healthy. And that sounds like where you're at.

m_weinerich

don't be selfish

Weinerch...you sound exactly like I was when I was 18. With that attitude (I'm such a great driver, I know what I'm doing, I know my limits, I'm so mature) I ended up putting my car into a bridge on an on-ramp at 100mph. At that point I knew exactly what an idiot I'd been, that I didn't know my limits, and that maybe I wasn't so mature. My friends managed similar feats. I won't argue with you about this, since I don't know you past this forum. But based on what I've read, and my personal experiences in the last few years, I'd try to tone it down a bit.

I knew Matt L and the people around him were going to be okay just by observing his car control. Although I've never done it before, I could imagine that there's nothing like drifting an on/off ramp like that.

Man, you're nuts. And shame on you.