Bjorn
May 1 2008, 10:17 AM
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Ford will be producing 1,000 GT500KR Mustangs this year, with another 700 in 2009, so FoMoCo is pricing the ultimate 'Stang accordingly. For $79,995 (including destination and gas-guzzler tax), you get everything included in the "standard" GT500, plus Ford Racing's Power Upgrade Package, which includes a new exhaust and a recalibrated ECU to push out 540 hp and 510 lb.-ft. of torque from the supercharged 5.4-liter V8. The only options on the ordering form are a Shaker 1000 stereo, Sirius satellite radio and a navigation system. Ford hasn't disclosed fuel economy numbers yet, but we doubt anyone willing to drop $80k on a blown V8 is troubled by topping off their own KR with $4.00-a-gallon premium. Get your orders in now; sales begin later this month.
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AutoblogI respect the KR for being a pretty impressive car, and it's only gonna be sold in limited numbers...but $80,000?
For reference that's $7,000 more than a new 997 C2, $10,000+ more than a GT-R etc...etc...etc.
What do you think?
(For my own information, does that KR include any chassis upgrades? I heard that the chassis was a bit of a let-down on the GT500.)
fiber optic
May 1 2008, 10:25 AM
80 large is Saleen territory which is what I'd be getting if I were in the market for a fast Mustang.
Synesthesia
May 1 2008, 11:38 AM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ May 1 2008, 02:25 PM)
80 large is Saleen territory which is what I'd be getting if I were in the market for a fast Mustang.
Just curious, why?
Mitlov
May 1 2008, 11:43 AM
That's a lot of money for a Mustang, especially when the normal GT500 suggests to me that we've reached the point of diminishing returns when it comes to further sprucing up the Mustang platform.
duality
May 1 2008, 12:25 PM
Isn't that Z06 money?
McKhaos
May 1 2008, 01:04 PM
That's GT-R + change money. Sorry, but that's my first choice.
clarkma5
May 1 2008, 02:18 PM
really really really not worth it. Maybe if they could deliver this for more like $50k, which is what the GT500 costs roughly, and have it fix what's wrong with the standard GT500...but $80k? They're dreaming. That's more than a Z06, a 911 Carrera, way more than a new M3, an Audi RS4, and is knocking on the door of the Viper even!
dukenukem
May 1 2008, 02:56 PM
Who says Ford doesnt have a sense of humour?
UserDrew
May 1 2008, 02:56 PM
It would be worth it if you wanted the Mustang's body style and 500+ Hp and Torque. I wouldn't get one if I wanted a performance mustang I would probably get it Roushed up or go the way of a Saleen.
Razor
May 1 2008, 03:29 PM
QUOTE(McKhaos @ May 1 2008, 05:04 PM)
That's GT-R + change money. Sorry, but that's my first choice.
I agree. This is another overpriced domestic. The only American car I'd ever dream of buying for $75K+ is the ZR1, and I'd still take the GT-R over that.
Mitlov
May 1 2008, 04:21 PM
QUOTE(Razor @ May 1 2008, 04:29 PM)
This is another overpriced domestic.
Huh? What do you mean by that phrase? Domestics are anything but "overpriced." Instead, I think of American performance cars, stereotypically, as inexpensive but unrefined. Look at the Cobalt SS Turbo, the G8, the Mustang GT, the C6 Corvette, and the Solstice GXP. These are all performance bargains considering the cars they can run with.
If one country out there has a reputation for "overpriced" cars, it's Germany, certainly not the United States.
Razor
May 1 2008, 04:32 PM
QUOTE(Mitlov @ May 1 2008, 08:21 PM)
Huh? What do you mean by that phrase? Domestics are anything but "overpriced." Instead, I think of American performance cars, stereotypically, as inexpensive but unrefined. Look at the Cobalt SS Turbo, the G8, the Mustang GT, the C6 Corvette, and the Solstice GXP. These are all performance bargains considering the cars they can run with.
If one country out there has a reputation for "overpriced" cars, it's Germany, certainly not the United States.
I don't care how much horsepower it has, I'm not paying 80K for a fancy new-gen Mustang. If it looked like the old ones (like, 1967 etc.), maybe. This new generation, no chance.
Yeah, I have no problem with cars like the Cobalt SS and the Solstice and such, but as I see it, where price and horsepower go up on the value of an American car, the level of build quality, comfort, and luxury hit a finite asymptote.
dukenukem
May 1 2008, 05:09 PM
Ford is by far the worst when it comes to ridiculously pricing cars with any retro appeal. Case and point .. all shelbys, the bullitts. They are all overpriced and under performing. Now the base GT on the other hand is a great bargain performer if you are willing to live with its flaws.
Razor
May 1 2008, 05:12 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ May 1 2008, 09:09 PM)
Ford is by far the worst when it comes to ridiculously pricing cars with any retro appeal. Case and point .. all shelbys, the bullitts. They are all overpriced and under performing. Now the base GT on the other hand is a great bargain performer if you are willing to live with its flaws.
Exactly what I mean. Low price for low quality and decent performance... fine. High price for low quality and mediocre performance... not fine.
Mitlov
May 1 2008, 07:09 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ May 1 2008, 06:09 PM)
Ford is by far the worst when it comes to ridiculously pricing cars with any retro appeal. Case and point .. all shelbys, the bullitts. They are all overpriced and under performing. Now the base GT on the other hand is a great bargain performer if you are willing to live with its flaws.
The Shelbies and Bulletts are limited-edition versions. Regardless of manufacturer or national origin, those are bad value. Pebble Beach Edition Lexuses? Bad value. Honda S2000 CR? Bad value. Legacy Spec B? Bad value when compared to a Legacy GT. Et cetera. And as Top Gear pointed out, the 911 GT3 RS and the Gallardo Superlegga are bad value because they charge you
more to take stuff
out of the car.
American performance cars
that aren't some sort of special edition or limited edition may have some shortcomings, but excessively-high prices isn't one of them.
dukenukem
May 1 2008, 08:05 PM
If you took out all the BS out of top gear then all you will left with is the advertisements. Thank you for whoever said this first.
That said all lexii from the last 5 years are crap so its a moot point.
The S2000CR is $2000 more than base S2000 for a uprated suspension and improved track performance. the Mustang Bullitt and the baby shelby have a paintjob, exhaust and lots of badges for about $10k more. (give or take)
You tell me...
Mitlov
May 1 2008, 08:43 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ May 1 2008, 09:05 PM)
If you took out all the BS out of top gear then all you will left with is the advertisements. Thank you for whoever said this first.
That said all lexii from the last 5 years are crap so its a moot point.
The S2000CR is $2000 more than base S2000 for a uprated suspension and improved track performance. the Mustang Bullitt and the baby shelby have a paintjob, exhaust and lots of badges for about $10k more. (give or take)
You tell me...
Okay. Limited-edition Mustangs are a horrible value. I'll agree with that. But the phrase "another overpriced domestic" implies that domestics are usually overpriced. They're not. They're generally performance bargains. Like I said, C6 Vette, G8, Cobalt SS Turbo, Solstice GXP. All performance bargains. Judging all domestic performance cars by limited-edition Mustangs is just plain wrong.
dukenukem
May 1 2008, 08:44 PM
Thats exactly what i am trying to say as well.
Mitlov
May 1 2008, 08:47 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ May 1 2008, 09:44 PM)
Thats exactly what i am trying to say as well.
You're still wrong.
dukenukem
May 1 2008, 08:50 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ May 1 2008, 08:09 PM)
Now the base GT on the other hand is a great bargain performer if you are willing to live with its flaws.
Reading. Its FTW.
midnightdorifto
May 1 2008, 09:16 PM
And every last one of you know that they will move every single unit they have at that price (plus dealer markup).
dukenukem
May 1 2008, 09:27 PM
Bush got elected a 2nd time.
Flame on!
Mitlov
May 1 2008, 09:33 PM
QUOTE(dukenukem @ May 1 2008, 09:50 PM)
Reading. Its FTW.
I thought the sarcasm couldn't be more obvious. I say something. You say that's exactly what you were saying. I say you're still wrong. One would hope that, in such a situation, you'd know that I wasn't serious.
McKhaos
May 1 2008, 11:01 PM
For $80.000, you'd expect a car that can lap the 'Ring in the GT-R / ZR1 time range. And I don't think this will cut the mustard. If it would have been the case, yes then it could have been a worthwhile car. But it seems stupid to me to pay all that money just for some Shelby badges.
fiber optic
May 2 2008, 05:42 AM
QUOTE(Synesthesia @ May 1 2008, 02:38 PM)
Just curious, why?
Is there a finer manufacturer of fast Mustangs? Rousch maybe, but I don't like their styling.
midnightdorifto
May 2 2008, 07:52 AM
QUOTE(McKhaos @ May 1 2008, 11:01 PM)
For $80.000, you'd expect a car that can lap the 'Ring in the GT-R / ZR1 time range. And I don't think this will cut the mustard.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche all collectively crapped their pants at this statement.
And agreed that the KR will not cut the mustard at this particular track. But that's not the purpose of this car. I'd love to own one, but not at 80k.
Bjorn
May 2 2008, 08:11 AM
This is Just my opinion, but for $80K I expect more than power and body upgrades. In an age where GM is bringing HHRs to the 'Ring there is no excuse for releasing a performance car with handling deficits.
Mitlov
May 2 2008, 10:23 AM
QUOTE(Bjorn @ May 2 2008, 09:11 AM)
This is Just my opinion, but for $80K I expect more than power and body upgrades. In an age where GM is bringing HHRs to the 'Ring there is no excuse for releasing a performance car with handling deficits.
But but but...it has hood scoops AND hood vents!!!!!!111
Synesthesia
May 2 2008, 10:34 AM
QUOTE(fiber optic @ May 2 2008, 09:42 AM)
Is there a finer manufacturer of fast Mustangs? Rousch maybe, but I don't like their styling.
I really don't know anything about Mustangs, but the Shelby name has been held in high esteem for some time...?
clarkma5
May 2 2008, 12:05 PM
Shelby's being rung to death. The GT500 is definitely a disappointing machine from what I hear. Everyone says it's a real soggy drive. The Shelby GT sounds pretty good but it's still on the pricy side.
You want a good Mustang, Roush and Saleen are where it's at.
Bjorn
May 2 2008, 01:55 PM
^Ya, the Shelby name has been pretty diluted with the release of the current Mustang. Although if I were ever in a city which had some, I would try to rent a GT350H.
The whole example of "Shelby Cars of America" (is that what it was called) being sued by tonnes of people is an example of what happens when you whore yourself out.
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