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Ozi
I just don't know where I am going with this. I have this paper due in EN 101 and I guess I picked a really bad topic because I really don't know much and I don't have much time.
This is my English Essay and I just hope that I can get some information regarding my essay and I need like a few sources.
Thanks in advance.

*Sorry about the English and the Grammar, it is just my rough draft*

Ozan Baskara
EN101A
Rough Draft

Thesis: Cars that are manufactured in Europe are safer, more reliable and have much

more quality than the cars that are manufactured in Japan.

Introduction: Driving is an everyday thing for most of the people and, for some of us it is a passion. Some people do many things with their cars. In the morning you get yourself a cup of coffee, place it on the cup holder and drive to school. Once you reach the parking lot, you decide where to park. Once you find that parking spot, you think to yourself “Should I park it backwards? Should I hold the cup of coffee so it does not fall out of the cup holder?”
There are many car manufacturers out there, each appealing to different groups of people. Japanese cars which are very dominant in the US appeal to people who just ask for reliability in return. Their cars are manufactured so that the engine and the drive train of the car last a long time and there is very limited maintenance required. However, this is not the case with cars that are imported from Germany. Manufacturers like Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche and Mercedes-Benz have one thing in common and it is the quality of their cars. There is a big difference when you sit in a top of the line Toyota and then sit in a top of the line Volkswagen. First of, when you sit in the Volkswagen GTI for example, the seats are very comfortable and the lights inside the car are very appealing.The lights of the main display are red and blue and is very attractive. Everything feels like it is put together well. When you grab the door handle it does not give you a cheap plastic squeezing sound. Everything feels solid when you touch it. This is not the case in the Toyota or other Japanese cars. The dashboard and the interior is very boring and depressing. The lights are vague green and the instruments on the dashboard look very depressing. Most importantly, it gives you the impression that the car was built without any enthusiasm to it. I drive a 1998 Volkswagen and if price was not a factor, I can easily compare it to a 2008 Toyota in terms of material quality and the feelings in the car. Although the car is around ten years old, when you touch the plastic inside the car such as the door handle, or open the glove box, the material feels solid and it does not give you a light squeezing sound. However it is not the case with my dad’s 2006 Toyota. Most of the time, the little button to open the glove box does not work and it feels like you are sitting in a quality deprived car.
Most people think that the Japanese cars are the most “reliable” cars out there. It is totally wrong. They claim that if they buy a Honda, it will last them twenty years without a problem, however they do not realize that there are also European built cars out there that can last just as long. Let’s take the Volvo for example. It is a Swedish car manufacturer that builds top of the line cars that are very reliable. According to (Edmunds.com – I have lost my source), Volvo is just as reliable as a Honda, yet I still hear people on the street talk about “Buy a Toyota or a Honda if you are buying a car”. I understand that comparing Volvo to a Toyota is just like comparing Harvard University to some random University in Afghanistan but, there are still cars out there that money can buy that are built with much better quality and just as reliable. For example
mung35
EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE!

It's all a bunch of hot air, IMO.
Razor
QUOTE(mung35 @ Nov 15 2007, 04:13 PM) *
EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE!

It's all a bunch of hot air, IMO.


As my English teacher would say,
SUG

For those of you unfamiliar (probably all of you, it's my English teacher), "sweeping unsupported generalization." I also saw some things I'd change in terms of mechanics, and if you want 'em fixed, I'd be more than happy to help.
Mazdaspeed
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Cars that are manufactured in Europe are safer, more reliable and have much

more quality than the cars that are manufactured in Japan.


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Razor
QUOTE(Mazdaspeed @ Nov 15 2007, 04:19 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


And that's why I think sources are going to be hard to find. Anyway, if I were writing this... my thesis would have been:

QUOTE
In the past, the German automotive industry has held a place over its European, American and Asian counterparts. However, in recent years, the automotive market has been filled with competitive contenders for these once untouchable German machines by Japan's strengthening automotive industry. Areas in which these Japanese cars have improved to challenge German cars are quality, safety, and performance.

Please do not actually use this or any part of it. It's plagiarism if you do.


What's good about mine? It'd be so easy to find sources for, it has a three-point layout which is easy to cover, and it argues a point more logical to the current, modern day situation. I myself am more of a German car fan, but in the interest of a paper I couldn't go with anything but this point, logically.

But damn, you're so fucking lucky being able to write about this... I have to write analytical and expository pieces on novels. rolleyes.gif
dukenukem
Well if ze germans were motoring god why didnt they invent VTAK? Clearly your thesis is wrong rolleyes.gif
Razor
QUOTE(dukenukem @ Nov 15 2007, 04:56 PM) *
Well if ze germans were motoring god why didnt they invent VTAK? Clearly your thesis is wrong rolleyes.gif


LMAO laugh.gif
goota
This is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read. Are you retarded or just fucking stupid?
mung35
QUOTE
In the past, the German automotive industry has held a place over its European, American and Asian counterparts. However, in recent years, the automotive market has been filled with competitive contenders for these once untouchable German machines by Japan's strengthening automotive industry. Areas in which these Japanese cars have improved to challenge German cars are quality, safety, and performance.


Hold up a second... I don't think the Japanese are trying to catch up to the Europeans in quality and reliability... other way around... in the "olden days" you bought:

- Japanese for excellent reliability with decent performance/luxury
- German for excellent performance/luxury with decent reliability
- American if you had a small peepee tongue_orig.gif (or a small(er) budget)

All automakers now try to combine the best of price, quality, and performance. In 10 years, they'll all be the same in everything. Except Toyotas. They'll still be shit to drive automobiles driven by morons going 10 miles under the limit with a blinker on for 2 miles.
Razor
QUOTE(mung35 @ Nov 15 2007, 05:57 PM) *
Hold up a second... I don't think the Japanese are trying to catch up to the Europeans in quality and reliability... other way around... in the "olden days" you bought:

- Japanese for excellent reliability with decent performance/luxury
- German for excellent performance/luxury with decent reliability
- American if you had a small peepee tongue_orig.gif (or a small(er) budget)

All automakers now try to combine the best of price, quality, and performance. In 10 years, they'll all be the same in everything. Except Toyotas. They'll still be shit to drive automobiles driven by morons going 10 miles under the limit with a blinker on for 2 miles.


HEY! I didn't say I agreed with it, I just think it'd make the best essay. tongue_orig.gif
Mitlov
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Cars that are manufactured in Europe are safer, more reliable and have much more quality than the cars that are manufactured in Japan.


whistle.gif Not sure what your evidence for that assertion is. German cars have many virtues, but 200,000-mile trouble-free motoring, a la Honda/Toyota/Subaru, ain't one of 'em. And let's not even bring up British, French, Italian, or Swedish cars...
Razor
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 15 2007, 07:09 PM) *
whistle.gif Not sure what your evidence for that assertion is. German cars have many virtues, but 200,000-mile trouble-free motoring, a la Honda/Toyota/Subaru, ain't one of 'em. And let's not even bring up British, French, Italian, or Swedish cars...


Volvo?
Mitlov
QUOTE(Razor @ Nov 15 2007, 04:19 PM) *
Volvo?


Old Volvos = good.
Volvo S60/V70 = good.
Volvo S40 and cousins, and Volvo XC90 = scary bad. Saab bad.
Razor
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 15 2007, 07:24 PM) *
Old Volvos = good.
Volvo S60/V70 = good.
Volvo S40 and cousins, and Volvo XC90 = scary bad. Saab bad.


You forgot Koenigsegg. rolleyes.gif
Mitlov
QUOTE(Razor @ Nov 15 2007, 04:58 PM) *
You forgot Koenigsegg. rolleyes.gif


I didn't forget it. I just couldn't spell it.
Razor
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 15 2007, 08:25 PM) *
I didn't forget it. I just couldn't spell it.


Koenignogseggaseggaseggaseggaseggaseggaseggaseggaseggabaseggviking.
Mitlov
Having read through the original post more thoroughly, I can say it's a total piece of crap. Seat quality automatically better in German cars? Most reviews I've read say that the G37 has nicer seats than the 335i. Interior quality better in German cars? Compare an early-2000s Lexus to an early-2000s Mercedes. Japanese cars are about reliability and not the driving experience? Ever been behind the wheel of the RX-8?

Basically, it's a bunch of national stereotyping with no real content.
Razor
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 15 2007, 10:43 PM) *
Having read through the original post more thoroughly, I can say it's a total piece of crap. Seat quality automatically better in German cars? Most reviews I've read say that the G37 has nicer seats than the 335i. Interior quality better in German cars? Compare an early-2000s Lexus to an early-2000s Mercedes. Japanese cars are about reliability and not the driving experience? Ever been behind the wheel of the RX-8?

Basically, it's a bunch of national stereotyping with no real content.


It's for English class, so I don't think that matters for him. His trouble though will be finding supporting information to cite, because everything he said is off.
UserDrew
He's like 13, he isn't writing a dissertation.
MustangAficionado
lots of pot calling kettle black in here
DaGonz
QUOTE
I just don't know where I am going with this. I have this paper due in EN 101 and I guess I picked a really bad topic because I really don't know much and I don't have much time.



Poor planning on your part. canadian.gif
Pinecone
QUOTE(UserDrew @ Nov 15 2007, 08:36 PM) *
He's like 13, he isn't writing a dissertation.


If I turned in a paper like that when I was thirteen I would've gotten an F, easily.
Tony Two Shoes
QUOTE(Ozi @ Nov 15 2007, 02:00 PM) *
Thesis: Cars that are manufactured in Europe are safer, more reliable and have much

more quality than the cars that are manufactured in Japan.

Introduction: Driving is an everyday thing for most of the people and, for some of us it is a passion. Some people do many things activites with their cars. In the morning you get yourself a cup of coffee, place it on in the cup holder and drive to school. Once you reach the parking lot, you decide where to park. Once you find that parking spot, you think to yourself, “Should I park it backwards? Should I hold the cup of coffee so it does not fall out of the cup holder?”
There are many car manufacturers out there, each appealing to different groups of people. Japanese cars which are very dominant in the US appeal to people who just ask for reliability in return. Their cars are manufactured so that the engine and the drive train of the car last a long time and there is very limited maintenance required. However, this is not the case with cars that are imported from Germany. Manufacturers like Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche and Mercedes-Benz have one thing in common and it is the quality of their cars. There is a big difference when you sit in a top of the line Toyota and then sit in a top of the line Volkswagen. First of off, when you sit in the Volkswagen GTI for example, the seats are very comfortable and the lights inside the car are very appealing.The lights of the main display are red and blue and is are very attractive. Everything feels like it is put together well. When you grab the door handle it does not give you make a cheap plastic squeezing sound. Everything feels solid when you touch it. This is not the case in the Toyota or other Japanese cars. The dashboard and the interior is are very boring and depressing. The lights are vague green and the instruments on the dashboard look very depressing. Most importantly, it gives you the impression that the car was built without any enthusiasm to it. I drive a 1998 Volkswagen, and if price was not a factor, I can easily compare it to a 2008 Toyota in terms of material quality and the feelings in of the interior of the car. Although the car is around ten years old, when you touch the plastic inside the car, such as the door handle, or open the glove box, the material feels solid and it does not give you make a light squeezing sound. However, it is not the case with my dad’s 2006 Toyota. Most of the time, the little button to open the glove box does not work and it feels like you are sitting in a quality deprived car.
Most people think that the Japanese cars are the most “reliable” cars out there. It is totally wrong. They claim that if they buy a Honda, it will last them twenty-years without a problem,. hHowever, they do not realize that there are also European built cars out there that can last just as long. Let’s take the Volvo for example. It is a Swedish car manufacturer that builds top of the line cars that are very reliable. According to (Edmunds.com – I have lost my source), Volvo is just as reliable as a Honda, yet I still hear people on the street talk about “Buy a Toyota or a Honda if you are buying a car.”. I understand that comparing a Volvo to a Toyota is just like comparing Harvard University to some random University in Afghanistan. bBut, there are still cars out there that money can buy that are built with much better quality and are just as reliable., Ffor example.


1) I took the liberty to edit the grammatical errors (I was a journalsim major in college). Feel free to use these corrections as your own work. The corrections are in bold.

2) I would not turn this into a kindergarten teacher. Like was mentioned, all of your claims are completely unfounded and lack sources. Even so, what you write about is mostly subjective. Stick to objective topics; you did hit on reliability. That can be quantified by "Problems per 100." Also, longevity of cars can be quantified in terms of mileage and age in years. You did touch on safety in your thesis; this can also be quantified by reputible organizations such as NHTSA and IIHS. But topics like appearance and comfort are purely subjective; even if you did pull sources for those topics, they are still just opinions of others.

3) Never write anything in an acedemic paper that belittles another culture, creed, race, ethnicity, sex, religion, region, etc, etc. You never know who your audience is. Your cheap shot at universities in Afghanistan is surely going to get you an F on this assignment. Some people would be offended by that comment and view you as a biggot; you will instantly loose all credibility. Personally, I am not offended by that statement. [rant]I am, however, really annoyed by it. I don't know where you are from, but I am sick of this Ameri-centric attitude. Furthermore, just because it costs $50k/yr. to attend an Ivy League school, it does not mean that you are getting a better education.[/rant]

You can take this advice seriously or sluff it off. I don't really care either way. You can tell me to fuck off and drop dead and I won't be offended. I was taught to write by professionals and I am just giving you tips to improve your grade on this assignment.

p.s. Are you really 13?
Ozi
Wow, guys honestly I would've never expected this many replies to my post so thank you all for sharing your opinions about it.
As for the paper, it is for EN 101, I am an engineering major and I just have to take 2 semester of English, this is one of them.
"Having read through the original post more thoroughly, I can say it's a total piece of crap. Seat quality automatically better in German cars? Most reviews I've read say that the G37 has nicer seats than the 335i. Interior quality better in German cars? Compare an early-2000s Lexus to an early-2000s Mercedes. Japanese cars are about reliability and not the driving experience? Ever been behind the wheel of the RX-8?

Basically, it's a bunch of national stereotyping with no real content." - Mitlov
I basically agree with what you have just said. My English teacher has said the same thing, the essay feels like "you are talking to your friends" and she told me that the subtopics are not planned. She pretty much told me what all of you have just said. Well I got a B on my first paper, and I just have 2 papers left and a final, this is one of them. I still have time, I guess I will change my topic to comparing the Culture of Turkey (my country) to US.
My English is pretty bad when it comes to writing and I wanted to do something that I actually like not just a BS topic on comparing cultures and etc..

I've pretty much read all of your comments and thanks to all of you for supporting me :]


ps: :] im 19 not 13.
Mitlov
So when you say it's an "english" paper, that's English as a second language, and Turkish is your first language? If so, I think you're actually doing very well with language and grammar. You speak English a hell of a lot better than I speak Turkish.

Just keep an open mind about where cars come from. While those national stereotypes maybe were true 20 years ago, they're not now.
Razor
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Nov 17 2007, 12:26 AM) *
So when you say it's an "english" paper, that's English as a second language, and Turkish is your first language? If so, I think you're actually doing very well with language and grammar. You speak English a hell of a lot better than I speak Turkish.

Just keep an open mind about where cars come from. While those national stereotypes maybe were true 20 years ago, they're not now.


Yeah, if that is an English as a second language course and paper, that's pretty damn good. Tony had some good suggestions (little things, idioms, word choice), so take as much of that in as you can. Nice work, though. thumbs_up.gif
VVTL-i GT-S
I have a Turkish friend who owns a BMW 316i with M3 package back home. It must be a Turkish thing to like Beemers...I don't know...
Mitlov
QUOTE(VVTL-i GT-S @ Nov 20 2007, 01:08 PM) *
I have a Turkish friend who owns a BMW 316i with M3 package back home. It must be a Turkish thing to like Beemers...I don't know...


Yeah, cause nobody outside of Turkey likes Bimmers Raspberry.gif
moe
I must be Turkish.
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