Recently, I've been increasingly attracted by Apple hardware and software, especially with the new Intel Core 2 Dual iMac and the new iPods (both are cheaper and more powerful now)..

So what do you guys think?

I am planning to wait for the release of the new OS X Leopard and buy a iMac.

They rock your face and double as space heaters too.

They are to computers what Ikea is to furniture, which is no bad thing.

I like them quite a bit...but I don't like the price.

I think the prices are pretty reasonable.. (with my educational discount I get roughly $100 off everything)

I don't like em much at all. They are for people who don't like or know anything about computers, do religious video editing or just care about aesthetics. Mac owners act like owning a PC is the worst thing in the world.

I admit I am very biased because I do a lot of gaming. Any video game oriented mac will always cost wayyyyyy more than any comparable pc. If I wasn't, I would still probably still stick to pc's. Changing over to a mac would just throw away my preference of building my own computers and choosing my own parts. But, what really bothers me is how you are forced to buy all your hardware from the same company, which eliminates any hope of price comptetition or selection. It's also the attitude most mac owners have like they are better than everybody else. Those new commercials with the mac and pc guy just reinforces my point. It's not like it's gonna increase their sales, it's just Steve Jobs being a dick.

It's just my 2 cents.
(I'm talking about desktops, not laptops).

wait ... i read that as ibook. imacs are eh ... get a PC instead. for a laptop, i would say go for the macbook or the macbook pro

on my 4th laptop...
girlfriend is on her 2nd
I have a new ipod.. so does the girlfriend

I Apple

I your g/f... rawr

I'm patiently waiting for the next OS to come out lol as well as the new Macbook pros with the new chip to run Photoshop and stuff.

The newer macs have been proven to be cheaper than a comparable pc in a few write ups lately, let me find one of the reviews...
Original: http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/features/m...price/index.php
Follow up: http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/opinion/de...lowup/index.php

As for the heating issue, yeah, they're fixing that. I hope Dell is too.

I heart macs. I run my own web design shop on a Mini (G4/Tiger/1gb of Ram) and the little bugger screams along running Photoshop, skedit, adium, 3 browsers, iTunes, etc.

Quicktime alone is what keeps me from owning an apple product. Even thinking about Quicktime makes my fucking hair fall out because of the way they use it and iTunes to try to take over your fucking body. Microsoft does this too but Quicktime does it on a whole new level.

I like 'em. Slick design, though I'm not that familiar with the interface, so I tend to shy away from their computers. I had the chance to buy an iBook a year and a half ago, but I bought a Dell instead. I HAD an iPod, but then I replaced it with a Sony thing when it got stolen, and now I'm rippng my hair out with the shitty ass Sonic Stage software...I want iTunes back.

How so? Do you not want it to be the player of most movie files?

If not, just get another app (like VLC), right click on the file you don't want Quicktime to play, choose Get Info, then pick another default player for all files with that extension.

Simple, done.

Yes SonicStage sucks.. and Sony tends to start their own "format" and it just pisses me off

computing are getting too far.....system requirement for an OS is too much...mainly because of all those visual effects.....well...i have nothing againts the visual effects, they make and OS more alive....but personally, i don't need those effects to type my school reports.....

basically, idiot is attracted by MOS' UI.....and all the little programs that comes with MOS....(ie: Automator, Time Machine and so on....)

i'm not a professional programmer, so i can't really say anything about the OS....but as an end user that only do word processing and some low cpu demanding tasks....any OS is good.......i'm still using my P3 800MHz....and there is nothing wrong with it.....you can call me a noob or whatever you want...

i'm not computer illiterate......so i would really like to learn Linux because there are a lot of free variance like Ubuntu.....so....i guess i will choose OS base on the price

i'm saying all this just because i want to point out: everyone has his/her own taste....so...just get whatever you feel confortable with....

Yes Sonic Stage sucks, but for once sony isn't using its own format. Not stupid atrac shit. I mean there's the option but it's just as happy to play mp3s, wmas, mp4s, etc.

hate em

It's just a computer. Get whatever you like.

As far as someone commenting on Macs are for people that don't know anything about computers. Well, im an IT guy, I know something about computers and I have used various operating systems. Macs just cut out the bullshit Windows put in their system. Thats it. While it takes you 6 clicks to find what you need, it takes 2 to find the same thing. I also love opening up the unix shell and writing scripts and automated tasks. Seems to me with each Windows release they are emulating the originator, IMO.

With that said, I have both. A windows desktop and an iBook laptop.

I prefer PCs just cause its what i've used for so long and its what i'm used to. Although their products are always slick looking and attractive, they seem to have a lot of problems (from what i've seen from friend's experiences). I have two friends with Macbook Pro's in my suite here at school and both of them have had to get new batteries because they wouldnt stay charged and other problems including warped screens, overheating, etc... Also, everything Apple makes seems to be wayyy overpriced. Its amusing to go into an Apple store at the mall and see one product made by Apple that is sometimes twice as expensive or more than the exact same product made by a 3rd party. Another thing i've noticed is the suprisingly short lifespan of iPods, especially the 3rd (i think) generation. They would die after about a year in most cases (i and many of my friends had to have ours replaced by apple). I'm quite happy with my 30gb video ipod i have now, it hasnt given me any problems so far *knocks on wood*, and as far as computers go, i'm also pleased with my HP notebook (dv400 - nothing special, but not lacking anything i need) so I'd prefer to just stick to PCs.

I agree with infinity935. I have used PC's for so long and I don't think that "converting" to Mac would do me any good. I've used the Macbook Pro before and, yes, it's sleek and looks awesome, but, the GUI and the way that you navigate through the OS just doesn't suit me.

With spotlight (and especially QuickSilver), there is no navigating through the OS.

PCs don't need seperate programs just to freakin' navigate the OS.

lmfao true

Hellooooooo explorer window !

Neither do Macs. You can browse through Finder in a hierarchy style (on Windows, it's what you call Explorer [mentioned above]), or you can hit cmd+space and type part of your desired application name, wait a second, and press Enter. That functionality comes in Spotlight, which is part of OS X, not a separate piece of software.

QuickSilver is a third-party program, but takes the ease of Spotlight and quadruples it.

Know your shit before you flame.

I went to futureshop and tried a iMac. I knew some program I wanted to try but didn't know how to acces them (ex: automator, pages), so all I did is click on spotlight and type the program names..

It's so much faster than windows' crappy search..

Point was that PCs don't even have programs like that in the first place. If Macs are so "user-friendly" and easy to navigate, why would these programs even exist? PCs don't have programs (3rd party) dedicated to simply navigate the OS.

As far as the "search" function goes, who really cares? It's rarely used anyways. Just remember where you save your crap.

Are you really this stupid or do you have to make special efforts for it ?

Spotlight is PART OF THE OS !!!! Thats the reason its so user friendly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Search" rarely used in Windows because all it does is make the hard drive spin like crazy (at least that's I find, a 100gb hd will take forever to search). Why do you think Vista is going to have a new "search" ?

^ i tried a mac in futureshop....i didn't know what the web browser is called....so i searched internet, iexplore, browser, internet browser, webpage, website.....any key word that are related to web browser.....i find nothing......i had to open a bookmark then i notice the web browser is called "safari".....just want to point out that the search function in mac is pretty useless.....

i'd rather use Start -> program and look for the program i want to use....instead of seaching for an application name that i don't know

Heh, people say "Mac's are user friendly" but it's obvious that any average dumbass can't use one. Amazes me how they manage to use PC's....

Programs like that (web browser) should already be in the Dock.

It's like saying searching for "internet" in windows to find your browser..

WTF?

I gotta say I like apple, they don't compromise on form and design. You pay for it but whilst the rest of the world goes more plastic and cheap they're going the other direction.

The whole Ipod/Creative thing has made me like Apple a little more as well.

But i'm a nerd so.. what can I say? I'll be living with PC's for the rest of my life - it's my home ground

And firefox is an easy one? "'Firefox', that must mean I can browse the internet." Don't get me wrong, I love firefox. In fact I use it on my mac for it's Developer's Toolbar extension, I'm just trying to prove a point regarding the names.

As for

You can either drag the app to the dock and there it will remain, or you can click once on the Applications folder and see every app there.

Face it, Macs are easier to use, and now comparably priced, if not cheaper than equally equipped PCs.

@ idiot and herkalees

the key sentence is "i used a mac at futureshop".....if i don't find the web browser icon on the dock that means i won't get it when it gets out of the box.....

and herkalees, you think firefox is preinstalled on imacs when they ships out from apple?.....hm.....i doubt it.....

it is pointless to discuss which OS is better.....as a low end user, i'll use whatever i have, in this case windows....

just a thought....apple had always been having a 1 button mouse because they believed it's easier for the tech support to help the customers...but just why do they come up with migthy mouse?....a multi button mouse with a lot of features?

And the average dumbass really can't use a PC. I also bet you 9 times out of 10 that dumbass has already had previous experience with a PC than he has with a mac.

For an OS that people like to bash, sure seems like they will be using an emulator in the future.

I refuse to use an operating system without the functionality that i get from unix, so that makes it macs and linux for me. I will never understand the need for people to "defend" their platform choice with flaming, it is especially strong between hardcore Windows and Mac zealots. I don't like Windows (and I use it just about everyday at work), but I have no problems with people using it if that's what they want, and I respect their opinion and choice (despite it not being my own, crazy I know).

looks great , till you drop it. to expensive for a gadget.
battery packs last 2.5 to 3 years , bad investment.

You're saying that if someone never used Windows, they'll know where Internet Explorer is "right out of the box"..?

If I get my mom (never touched a computer) to both OS (mac and windows), I doubt she'll be able to get on the Internet.

My point is you still need certain basic computer/OS knowledge before you can use a computer..

i mean.....i don't see any web browser icon on the mac not even on Dock.......but for window, right out of the box, you see "internet explore" on the desktop......the blue "e" to be more specific.....

again, it is pointless to talk about OS.....if you think mac is better, then get one.....that's what i have been saying to you.......especially you are not computer illiterate

the safari browser appears in the dock by default. The guys at futureshop must have removed it.

As duke mentions, the browser icon is on there by default. It's likely that the store removed it to stop the average n00b from standing in their store and surfing the web.

It appears that it worked.

Let's see.

Single button mouse, just to be 'different'.

Clicking outside your window, and you exit the entire application and see your desktop. How awesome.

Hardware that is obsolete within 4 weeks (iPod), which then forces you to use iTunes, which doesn't even have a 'stop' button.



Conclusion: Apple is a sack of shit.

I'm getting tired of complete idiots making comments when they clearly haven't confirmed them. Well, maybe you're not an idiot, but you clearly haven't used a Mac lately.

A. Apple realized people wanted two buttons, so they introduced the mighty mouse. Before that you could go to your local any-store and buy a third party two-button mouse for a few bucks. That's called "listening to their user base".

B. What? The only way the app windows hide themselves is if you press F11. And that, my uninformed friend, is a great feature. I'd like to know where you experienced clicking outside of a window and seeing then application exit.

C. My iPod is 4 years old and works perfectly. On a Mac (I can see how this would differ on a PC), there is nothing I'd rather use than iTunes. I speak for just about every Mac user when I say that.

And i bet you would be at total loss on how to start IE if i were to remove the bloody icon from the desktop .......

My original computer was a Mac LC2.

My dell is the 2nd PC I have owned.. the first one was a Drivetech that crapped out and died.

One nice thing about Macs..nobody writes viruses for Macs!

Make love! Not war!

Apple kicks ass for design. unfortunately.. i'm a fan of gaming.. hehe.. and Apple sucks ass for gaming.