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When designing a new Mercedes, it's critical to incorporate poorly designed and faulty gadgets because "the Mercedes demographic demands it."




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A mishap during a Mercedes demonstration to the press left many onlookers wondering if the German automakers had hired the same team behind some of Bill Gates’ botched Windows presentations of the 1990s. The new Mercedes S-Class has a sophisticated radar-based braking system that can automatically prevent accidents. But with cameras rolling and photographers standing by, something went wrong with the car’s radar system, resulting in a 3-car fender-bender involving over $200,000 worth of cars. In the demo, Mercedes drives 3 cars behind each other. The first car hits the brakes, and the two following S-Class sedans are supposed to brake down automatically, to avoid a crash. What actually happened was slightly different: the first car braked, and the two others continued right into the back of each other. Mercedes blames the steel hall in which the test was conducted for interfering with the radar system. The system “works perfectly in all other circumstances”, according to Mercedes. (Mercedes was recently honored by Popular Science for the braking technology.)


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Safety: Brake Assist with radar and latest-generation PRE-SAFE®

In the field of vehicle safety, Mercedes-Benz is redoubling its commitment to accident prevention with the preventive system Brake Assist PLUS. This system registers vehicles ahead by radar and gives a warning if the gap is too small or the closing speed is too high. If a collision threatens, Brake Assist PLUS calculates the ideal braking assistance in fractions of a second and makes this available immediately – even if the driver applies too little pressure to the brake pedal. This significantly reduces the incidence of rear-end collisions. The adaptive brake light, which warns following traffic by flashing during emergency braking, also makes a major contribution.

Mercedes-Benz combines Brake Assist PLUS with the equally unique occupant protection system PRE-SAFE®, which offers even more safety functions on board the new S-Class. PRE-SAFE® recognises potential accident situations as they arise: if braking deceleration exceeds a certain level or a skid is imminent, the system tensions the front seat belts as a precaution and inflates air cushions in the multicontour seats to envelop and support the driver, front passenger and rear seat occupants. For the first time Mercedes-Benz has also integrated the side windows into this preventive protection system; they are automatically closed when an accident threatens.

This combination of the new Brake Assist PLUS system and PRE-SAFE® is a further enhancement to occupant protection. Mercedes-Benz is the world’s first and only vehicle brand with a comprehensive safety system of this kind, which already goes into action before an impending accident.

Support systems: DISTRONIC PLUS and the new night view assist

Brake Assist PLUS is available in combination with the likewise improved proximity control system DISTRONIC PLUS. This radar-supported system now operates at all speeds between zero and 200 km/h, and ensures even greater driver comfort. In stop-and-go traffic DISTRONIC PLUS keeps the new S-Class at the right distance from the vehicle ahead, automatically brakes the saloon to a standstill if necessary and accelerates it back to the required speed when the traffic starts moving again. In this way the support system reduces the driver’s workload and provides considerable benefits in driver-fitness safety.

The equipment package with Brake Assist PLUS and DISTRONIC PLUS also includes a new Parking Assist system which likewise uses radar sensors. These have a longer range than ultrasonic signals, therefore the driver receives earlier warning of an impending collision when reversing into a parking space.

With the innovative night view assist system which is premiered in the new
S-Class, Mercedes-Benz has made a further, major contribution to reducing the risk of accidents during the hours of darkness. This system is based on infra-red light, which is invisible to the human eye and will therefore not dazzle oncoming traffic. Two infra-red headlamps illuminate the road, extending the driver’s range of vision to more than 150 metres when on low beam. Night view assist therefore makes pedestrians, cyclists, parked cars and other obstacles visible very much sooner. An infra-red camera mounted on the inside of the windscreen records the reflected image of the road ahead and displays this in the instrument cluster.

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TrueSlideXL
If you aren't quick enough to use the brakes yourself, then you should not be driving. Nobody needs all this bullshit electronic gadget wizardry.
Mitlov
QUOTE(TrueSlideXL @ Nov 17 2005, 01:24 PM) *
If you aren't quick enough to use the brakes yourself, then you should not be driving. Nobody needs all this bullshit electronic gadget wizardry.

Seconded. This stuff is ludicrous even if it DOES work. And if it's not 100% reliable, which apparently it's not, it's very dangerous because people have a false sense of security and won't worry as much about braking the old-fashioned way.
clarkma5
They had this on Fifth Gear and Jason Plato jammed on the brakes himself because he didn't trust the car to stop itself.

His point? Even if it does work, you need nerves of steel to trust it. It's worthless technology.
lxmcc
I don't have the balls to trust a car to stop itself.
TrueSlideXL
Cars are all too quickly becoming 100% consumer devices for people who have no idea how they work. This industry has gotten to the point that anyone can go to kmart and buy themselves a wing and some plastic "chromed" spinners and have a "nice" car. It only gets worse from here on. GM has been spying on your ECU's for years.
DakianDelomast
lol how does steel interfere with radar again?
z0ne
QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Nov 17 2005, 07:23 PM) *
lol how does steel interfere with radar again?

well you see, it all comes down to the gamma rays.. yeh .. they bounce off of all of the steel. and, cause MB to make themselves look like idiots.

reminds me of a family guy quote:
Brian: Uh, why isnt there anythingin here about germany from 1939 to 1942?
Guide: We were on vacation
Brian: Um, no, germany invaded poland in 1939
Guide: Nope nope nope. we were invited. punch was served. everyone was happy.
Brian: No!
Guide: NO MORE QUESTIONS! *rattles off in german*
PAULIE_D
Anybody have a video of this incident?
Boxster17
Well it is possible that the metal disrupted the rays since it's reflective, and depending on the size and shape of it, that could've well have been the case.

Anyways I'm sure it does work most of the time otherwise they wouldn't have put it out there, but like clarkma said, you'd need some balls to sit there and let it stop on it's own.
CRiZO
Not that there aren't backups on metal bridges every day or anything. Maybe its time for them to get back to the drawing board.
DZ302
yeah i wouldn't trust something like that. i'll have to watch my back now whenever i see an old lady in a new s class driving behind me, she might just slam into the back of me. but then again....i could get a fat check.....
DakianDelomast
So wait, couldn't you blame mercedes for rear ending someone from now on?

Omg you guys I figured out how we can sink mercedes once and for all! rishi
nismo
"The test had been done in a hall which was made of steel. This confuses the radar, and the system doesn't work properly, causing more than £150,000 worth of cars to crumple into each other."

Steel confuses me too. :/
CRiZO
Metal is hard.
goota
QUOTE(DakianDelomast @ Nov 17 2005, 08:01 PM) *
So wait, couldn't you blame mercedes for rear ending someone from now on?

Omg you guys I figured out how we can sink mercedes once and for all! rishi



HOLY SHIT! WE CAN MAKE MILLIONS! even.... BILLIONS!!!


and, steel interfering with radar??? what the hell....
DZ302
QUOTE(goota @ Nov 17 2005, 11:40 PM) *
HOLY SHIT! WE CAN MAKE MILLIONS! even.... BILLIONS!!!
and, steel interfering with radar??? what the hell....

well it reflects off it, but still. you'd think they would design the system to be able to differentiate the car in front of them from other metal stuff. basically, this test shows that it will not work in heavy traffic (it will reflect off other cars and "confuse" the system)
goota
i dont think it would have a significant effect on the radars ability to project and receive signals from relatively close quarters.

mercedes is just shit.
Raziel
It wasn't the hall itself that supposedly irritated the radar, it was a huge metal shield in front of the standing car. But that doesn't really matter, I think it's still bullshit.

The best thing is, they didn't even trust their own system. Because it didn't work several times before, they had placed a plank right at the spot where the driver should brake (when he drives over it, he was was supposed to step on the brakes). Apparently that didn't work as good as they thought biggrin.gif

The plank was also the reason why they didn't allow a reporter to sit in the car, so nobody would realize the system didn't work properly.
BankieVR6
the cars were probably too shiny. cause you know, if you have a car with a real sweet finish, radar just bounces off. also, i bet those s-classes didnt have yosemite sam "stay back" mudflaps. the whole thing was doomed from the start.
PBB
Here's a 69.1 MB video of a German TV show with a clip of that accident.

http://download.stern.de/_stream/NEBELCRASH_DSL.wmv

And some screenshots to laugh at while you're waiting on that download.








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