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arnge
the new world record for 30 days
and 100,000 miles
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-...0-0-0-0,00.html
clarkma5
That's pretty damn impressive.
BankieVR6
how does the re-fueling/oil changes work for these?
Dylan
You have a dood straped to the fenders to do that for you.
arnge
LOL it have F1 bit stop style.
or like nascar or something.
BankieVR6
QUOTE(Dylan @ Sep 3 2005, 07:25 PM)
You have a dood straped to the fenders to do that for you.

nice, he must be a pretty kewl dood.
z0ne
QUOTE(Dylan @ Sep 3 2005, 07:25 PM)
You have a dood straped to the fenders to do that for you.

TRUNK MONKEY!!! whistle.gif
herkalees
While that is fairly impressive, it's nothing like 100,000 miles in normal situations. Starting, stopping, snow, ruts, bla bla...

My lame jetta could probably add another 100,000 to it's already 76,xxx miles under those same conditions, minus of course the mph; more like 70mph for me.
nismo
EWWW!!
leif
is Mercedes doing this to show the world they are reliable again?: probaly!!! is this encouraging?: YES!

QUOTE
While that is fairly impressive, it's nothing like 100,000 miles in normal situations. Starting, stopping, snow, ruts, bla bla...


I think its very impressive, running constantly for 100,000miles with out fault is an achivement! and to have 3 individual cars able to make identical claims is very impressive indeed!

Go Mercedes!
DZ302
this is boring
arnge
No it is not , it is stunning.
fiber optic
I'd like to see more diesel motors make it to the US. Please?
leif
i dont think our diesel is clean ehough to work properly with european exaust systems...it does not burn properly, and releases more bad emmisions...simmilar problem with petrol...we dont refine our fuels enough.

its one of the reasons the Porsche 959 couldnt be brought over here...the other being Porsches refusal to crash test one.
DakianDelomast
I honestly just don't really care.
clarkma5
I want to see more clean burning petrol engines. VW's twincharger w00t!

I'd also like to see diesel make it here but I kinda doubt I'd buy one, at least anytime soon.
leif
I think im going to buy an 80s Toyota Land Cruiser 4cyl Diesel for the city, and convert it to run on Vegiie oil...save my self some moolah on fuel costs...as petrol has gone above 4.80 CDN/Gal
DZ302
QUOTE(arnge @ Sep 4 2005, 02:28 PM)
No it is not , it is stunning.

there is nothing cool about it. it's impressive from a reliability engineering standpoint, but it's still boring.
fiber optic
Well smack my ass and call me Sally. They actually sell this here.
DB9
QUOTE(z0ne @ Sep 3 2005, 03:29 PM)
TRUNK MONKEY!!! whistle.gif

laugh.gif LOL love trunk monkey
porschedream
Wow, pretty cool news. Didn't know MB could achieve something like that. And I do also think you mean doubt not dought.
Mitlov
QUOTE(leif @ Sep 4 2005, 12:48 PM)
is Mercedes doing this to show the world they are reliable again?: probaly!!! is this encouraging?: YES!



I think its very impressive, running constantly for 100,000miles with out fault is an achivement! and to have 3 individual cars able to make identical claims is very impressive indeed! 

Go Mercedes!

With all due respect, this isn't that impressive. As others pointed out, it's nowhere near as rigorous as 100,000 real-world miles, with thousands of cold start-ups and plenty of stop-and-go traffic. I strongly, strongly suspect that cars traditionally respected for their reliability--Accords, Camrys, Civics, Tacomas, etc--would have no problem with this stunt at all. EDIT--I just noticed the "average speed of 140mph" part. Okay, I admit it, 30 days at 140mph with no problems IS impressive.

Though just for the record, this experiment only tests drivetrain reliability. It doesn't tell you if your power windows are going to wig out after two years of ownership.

As for the diesel thing, I think I've already made it clear on this site that I'm a major fan--both of traditional diesels and biodiesels. The more the better, even if they are MB wink.gif
arnge
Am so you know any other car that can run for succsisive 30 day ? on track ?
Dweezil
The first car that's used 24/7 for 100,000 miles as a mall security vehicle could be deemed the most reliable vehicle in the history of time. This is not really impressive.
leif
It is a world record, meaning no other car has achived this, so why are you not impressed?

This car ran constantly for 30 days, each engine component, each suspension component, the entire driveline was used constantly...these are NOT parts which are designed to do that! they infact ARE designed to withstand stop and go use, and be turned off to cool several hunderd thousand times, but these 3 cars stayed on constantly.

dont base your oppinions off a valvoline comercial...yes stop and go traffic is difficult for an engine, as they really are designed to work best durring highway trips, of a few hundred km's or so...but so is 100,000k of constant use!

Im sure they didnt replace any timing belts, or water pumps durring that time either...

I seriously doubt a japanise car could do this, not because they are bad cars, its just that they are very well enginnnered to work like a normal car...where a german car is engineered beyond that...
Dweezil
QUOTE(leif @ Sep 5 2005, 10:26 AM)
It is a world record, meaning no other car has achived this, so why are you not impressed?

This car ran constantly for 30 days, each engine component, each suspension component, the entire driveline was used constantly...these are NOT parts which are designed to do that! they infact ARE designed to withstand stop and go use, and be turned off to cool several hunderd thousand times, but these 3 cars stayed on constantly.


I seriously doubt a japanise car could do this, not because they are bad cars, its just that they are very well enginnnered to work like a normal car...where a german car is engineered beyond that...

It's a world record, oh, amazing! I'm sure if I stuck 8 hotdogs up my ass that would be a world record too. I don't think a lot of people have gone for that world record, and I doubt a lot of people have gone for this one.

Uh huh. Designed for that they might be, according to you, but they'd still break down about a week in if they were used in the heaviest of stop and go conditions, which is to be used as a security vehicle at a mall. They kept a car, on a circular track, for 100,000 miles? Wonderous! Too bad Mercedes can't keep a car on a regular road in real life for 10,000 miles without it having electronic malfunctions.

You sure do sound like a fucking moron with that last paragraph, but you've always kind of come off as a stupid asshole. Germans are notorious for going beyond, alright. Going beyond all reason and logic. Overengineering is not a good thing, snookums.
leif
QUOTE(Dweezil @ Sep 5 2005, 11:26 AM)
It's a world record, oh, amazing! I'm sure if I stuck 8 hotdogs up my ass that would be a world record too.

what are you at now? 7 hot dogs...dont worry, you'll get that 8th eventually

ok, the frickin car ran for 30 days, at an average of 140mph, how is this not good, and for your information there are other car companies who have done this, Mrecedes have just gone further than they did, hence they won the record. fi a god daned ford or chevy did this you would be the first to come out and say...Look, Ford ROCKS!!!!

and admitidly i may take a more opposed viewpoint...but right now my team won...so im happy
Dweezil
QUOTE(leif @ Sep 5 2005, 11:33 AM)
fi a god daned ford or chevy did this you would be the first to come out and say...Look, Ford ROCKS!!!!

...

You cannot be serious.
Mitlov
Well I know that Toyota tests cars and trucks at full throttle for a week, nonstop. Maybe that's 7 days straight instead of 30 days straight, but it makes the same point. And it doesn't mean that Toyotas COULDN'T go 30 days straight, it just means the company hasn't bothered to do so (see the hot-dog point). And I have no doubt that a 4Runner could easily go for the remaining 23 days (though not at 140mph). I've seen two 4Runners be put through the worst of off-road driving, reaching 150,000 miles and 285,000 miles respectively. And both are still racking up miles.
leif
I never meant that japanise cars are not tough...my point was that German cars tend to be engineered to, and beyond the point of logical use, while japanise cars are engineered just upto, and maybe a little beyond that.

both concepts are very good, and work well! Just a german car is more up to the illogical abuse a test such as this would provide...hell, an itallian car wouldnt have made it 1/10th the distance of a japanise car.
Mitlov
QUOTE(leif @ Sep 5 2005, 10:31 AM)
I never meant that japanise cars are not tough...my point was that German cars tend to be engineered to, and beyond the point of logical use, while japanise cars are engineered just upto, and maybe a little beyond that.

both concepts are very good, and work well! Just a german car is more up to the illogical abuse a test such as this would provide...hell, an itallian car wouldnt have made it 1/10th the distance of a japanise car.

I agree that many German cars are engineered far beyond the point of logical use. Geez, just look at how few German cars still use a traditional metal-blade-type key. Now THERE was a "problem" that sure didn't need a solution, but MB "solved" it anyway.

I also suspect you're correct about Italian cars being unable to do this.

Where you are NOT correct is saying that people here would be all excited if a Ford or a Chevy did this. I didn't make a thread about Toyota's similar endurance testing...because I didn't care. The same is true with Ford, Chevy, or any other manufacturer out there. The only reason this stunt is noteworthy at all is because MB has an abysmal reputation for reliability that they're trying to improve. Unfortunately, this stunt proves nothing about the longevity of MB electronics.
Dweezil
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Sep 5 2005, 01:41 PM)
words words

The fucked up thing was that leif said to me of all people that i'd be happy if Ford did this and i'd praise them when I hate Ford more than anyone on this forum.
leif
sorry to insult you...

While i do agree the switches and electronics didnt get 100,000mi of use, and this proves nothing about their longevity, i think this is a very positive step forward fo MB, and a strong indication that the are...to seal a bushism...turning the corner.
Cyclone
I dunno, i mean the way I see it is this...Most things in cars stop working because they're old nowadays... It's not like "Oh hey, it's 70,000 miles! Time to break!!!". It's more along the lines of "Damn, I'm a 30 yearold part and even though I only have 40,000 miles on me, I feel like dying now..."

Sure, 30 straight days of running is good at and all but that's from a car fresh out of the factory straight to the track and run for 30 days. That's nowhere near as much punishment as a 10 yearold car just rolling 100,000 miles. Their reliablity test is stupid. Drive 100,000 miles around the US on city streets and highways and then you have something to brag about.
arnge
Wow guys just admit that this is a hell of a car. and the new filter tech. is way cool.
Mitlov
QUOTE(arnge @ Sep 6 2005, 07:59 PM)
Wow guys just admit that this is a hell of a car. and the new filter tech. is way cool.

Can't you find that same filter tech on the new diesel Passat and even the new diesel Jetta?
Dweezil
QUOTE(arnge @ Sep 6 2005, 10:59 PM)
Wow guys just admit that this is a hell of a car. and the new filter tech. is way cool.

Why is this car any better then any other diesel out there? Stupid fanboys don't go over well here.
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