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RJ
From a guy named 'stealth' at another forum I frequent. Take it with a grain of salt:

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GM is back, and with a vengeance.

As far as all the things I've read lately, and from my uncle, who is close friends with some of the largest figures in the Auto industry, I have some HUGE surprises...

Corvette Z06 SuperSport (aka-Blue Devil)
Most of us know about this high performance machine, and we all know that at least 600 hp is expected. Well, good news for the all of you, expect at least 650. For about 95,000 American, you get 150 more ponies, and a high performance car capable of putting the Enzo to shame. Expect it by Fall 2006.

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 and SS
We all know this too. But I betcha you didn't know that the base version will be the only car for under 22,000 that comes with a V8. No joke. Oh, and expect this car to be here by Summer 2008, and with the SS version pumping at least 480hp into that engine bay.

Cadillac Cien
GM's first mid-engined production car is gonna make a gigantic splash on the aut industry. Expect Bentley Continental GT pricing and Saleen S7 performance when this all Carbon Fibre Supercar pops into showrooms in Summer 2007. Oh, and don't expect a Corvette Engine. It's all Northstar V8.

Cadillac Sixteen Sedan
Not quite as big as the Concept, but big enough to scare the living crap out of a H1 owner, this Caddy will have a V16 engine, a collaberation of two Northstar V8's, and will produce a more healthy 800hp. Expect it to be here by 2009, and for the workers at the Maybach factories to be fuming with new ideas.

Buick Roadmaster
Well... just what we need, another GM coupe and Convertible. This one will have rear wheel drive though, and a possible 420hp when it pops up stateside in 2007. Built on the same Corvette chassis and suspension setup as the XLR, this car will have a huge pricetag, and few will be made.

Hummer H4
Great, another one. Well, not exactly. This time, it won't be so much off road king as cheap off road prince built off of the Equinox chassis. And it'll be more suited to a Younger Crowd, with an obviously lesser amount of money. Expect a concept of this $25,000 pony to be shown at the 2007 Detroit Auto Show.

Now, everything I just told you may sound like a lie, coming from me. It's not. Although I will be honest and tell you that GM isn't completely sure whether they'll produce some of these, especially the Roadmaster. But I can tell you that the Corvette SS, the H4, and the Camaro are coming.

And look out, because they're coming with they're weapons ready.


drool3.gif if true!
Cyclone
I figure by the years stated in that GM will be completely belly up...
RJ
I doubt it. Really, I think it's near impossible for that to happen, especially when the Z and those recently new vehicles come out, like the re-designed SUVs, The RWD Roadsters (Two confirmed, 1 rumored), the new trucks, and the new/improved cars...
McKhaos
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Hummer H4 . The size of a Geo Metro .
RJ
Hey, the Equinox is ncie, actually. It's one of the few GM SUVs I like.
UserDrew
The camaro was shot down last I heard, unless GM is still working on it but keeping it extremely quiet.
Boxster17
Yeah I could've sworn I just read that there was no chance in hell of the Camaro or Firebird coming back....I think it was in an article I was reading when they were talking about the nex gen GTO.
Renesis
Nothing interesting in that list.. apart the Cien maybe
NorthPoint
Bah
RJ
Nothing interesting about a sub-$100K world beater.... RIIIIGHT... dry.gif
Renesis
Absolutely not.
DZ302
QUOTE(Boxster17 @ Aug 20 2005, 11:59 AM)
Yeah I could've sworn I just read that there was no chance in hell of the Camaro or Firebird coming back....I think it was in an article I was reading when they were talking about the nex gen GTO.

No, they said it would never come on the zeta platform. A lot of people misinterpret that to mean that they will never come back period, but that's just false.
DZ302
QUOTE(RJ @ Aug 20 2005, 12:55 PM)
Nothing interesting about a sub-$100K world beater.... RIIIIGHT... dry.gif

Not if it doesn't have a rotary, come on now
porschedream
If what he is saying is true. That guy should be seeing a personal complaint from the CEO of GM annnnnyy day now. He's not supposed to be releasing any plans for new cars without consent of GM.
RJ
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Aug 20 2005, 01:08 PM)
Not if it doesn't have a rotary, come on now

LMFAO! laugh.gif thumbs_up.gif
Renesis
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Aug 20 2005, 04:08 PM)
Not if it doesn't have a rotary, come on now

Even with a rotary a corvette fails to be interesting, period.
RJ
What car do you find interesting?
DZ302
QUOTE(RJ @ Aug 20 2005, 02:11 PM)
What car do you find interesting?

The Mazda RX series cars and nothing else. They are the god of everything
DZ302
QUOTE(Renesis @ Aug 20 2005, 01:59 PM)
Even with a rotary a corvette fails to be interesting, period.

Shut the fuck up. If it had a 500hp triple rotor engine and a Mazda badge, you'd tape a pic of it to the ceiling above your bed so you can jerk off at night
goota
eeeek, getting a little hot in here?

anyways, the blue devil and the Cien sound bery bery shexy.
chillinmofo1
Honda 0WNS j00 tard.gif
leif
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Aug 20 2005, 05:53 PM)
Shut the fuck up.  If it had a 500hp triple rotor engine and a Mazda badge, you'd tape a pic of it to the ceiling above your bed so you can jerk off at night

Do I detect a little Rotor-envy? I completely understand, if i had to watch my domestic car makers bite the dust as the Japanise and Europeans reported record profits I would be in a fowl mood too.

the Corvette I buy, but not 650BHP, thats a little far fetched...what would that get? 3 maybe 4 MPG? But everything elts sounds like some kind of dream where everything comes true...this represents alot of development which GM does not have the capitol for...they would be much better off investing what money they have in their regular line up, which could sure use an influx of cash.

Personally this all sounds like bullshit.
Benny
hey guys.
rotary engines suck.
V8's suck.
their both boring. whistle.gif
DZ302
QUOTE(leif @ Aug 20 2005, 03:23 PM)
Do I detect a little Rotor-envy? I completely understand, if i had to watch my domestic car makers bite the dust as the Japanise and Europeans reported record profits I would be in a fowl mood too.

the Corvette I buy, but not 650BHP, thats a little far fetched...what would that get? 3 maybe 4 MPG? But everything elts sounds like some kind of dream where everything comes true...this represents alot of development which GM does not have the capitol for...they would be much better off investing what money they have in their regular line up, which could sure use an influx of cash.

Personally this all sounds like bullshit.

No rotary envy at all, I prefer the sound and torque of a V8. I don't see what's so special about a rotary engine. I've driven an RX7 with boltons and it was ok, a bit boring when it was accelerating. It was too smooth, and it sounded like a weedwacker.


And what makes you think the Blue Devil won't have 650hp? Also, what makes you think a 650hp car will only get 4mpg from the factory? I know people with 500+hp LS1s who still get over 20mpg. So I imagine a factory effort producing 650hp out of a smallblock would get better than 10mpg.
leif
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Aug 20 2005, 06:53 PM)
And what makes you think the Blue Devil won't have 650hp? Also, what makes you think a 650hp car will only get 4mpg from the factory? I know people with 500+hp LS1s who still get over 20mpg. So I imagine a factory effort producing 650hp out of a smallblock would get better than 10mpg.

bull shit...I do not beleive you have a friend who made an LS1 develop 500BHP and get 20 mpg...that seems very far fetched to me.

frankly nor do I beleive it is possible to take an LS2, bore it out to 7.0L, strap a supercharger on to it, and make anywhere close to a respectable mpg...nor a responsible one. While I do realise that mpg is not important in a sportscar (infact I have argued the point that it is not) I do beleive that there should be a minimum standard...both as a responsible car company, and to offer maximum usability...

In my oppinion Chevy may very well release a "blue devil", but I dont beleive it will have anywhere close to 650BHP.
DZ302
You know absolutely nothing about V8s. It's not like they just "bored it out" and "slapped a supercharger on it". And why can't a 500hp LS1 get over 20mpg? 420hp LS6s get 28mpg, so do LS2s. Heads/cam on an LS1 will get you over 500 crank horsepower easily, and they won't kill your gas mileage unless you are on it all the time. You obviously have no experience with these cars. Hell, even my oldass LT1 averaged 28-29mpg from San Francisco to LA, and I was going over 90mph for the entire time. You are just ignorant. Do a little reading before you speak.
RJ
The new Vette Z06 has 505hp and still beats some sedans in MPG. Come on!
DZ302
QUOTE(RJ @ Aug 20 2005, 04:14 PM)
The new Vette Z06 has 505hp and still beats some sedans in MPG. Come on!

Unpossible!
Sant'Agata
Wasn't Buick being dropped or someting?
moe89
I dont really believe any of it, other than the Blue Devil. There is no way in hell Caddy will take that much of a chance on the Cien and the 16.
Benny
the cein will be built, and it will get rave reviews, but everyone will hate the fact it will cost so much, and the sixteen will just be an overpriced variant of the STS.
Renesis
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Aug 20 2005, 05:53 PM)
Shut the fuck up. If it had a 500hp triple rotor engine and a Mazda badge, you'd tape a pic of it to the ceiling above your bed so you can jerk off at night

No. So stop being stupid you don't even know me and you're acting like an arrogant jackass.

Fool
clarkma5
These are almost entirely BS...the Blue Devil has an outside chance of being produced but I wouldn't bet on it, but the H4 is a slam dunk!

Great, the one car we DON'T want is the sure choice...

Well, the Camaro will be produced too but I'd bet against a $22k V8...and if they DID make a Z28 Camaro for $22k I'd be afraid to drive it...
White RSX
Still don't care, still think Corvettes blow, still think this thread sucks.
DZ302
QUOTE(Renesis @ Aug 20 2005, 08:01 PM)
No. So stop being stupid you don't even know me and you're acting like an arrogant jackass.

Fool

I'm acting like an arrogant jackass? I haven't seen you say anything positive about anything without a rotary.
White RSX
You should read more.
leif
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Aug 20 2005, 07:11 PM)
You know absolutely nothing about V8s.

No, I dont know much about V8s, but I do know about superchargers, and the main drawback with them is that they are ALWAYS on, you are always on boost, there is no lag, which means that you are always burning more fuel than you need, unlike with a turbo, where you can spool down and act like a high mpg car.

Also I do have some exp. with new american V8s, mainly the 5.7L hemi which is considered to be a very fuel efficent V8, and try as i might, the best I could get was 10.8mpg, which is shit.

and to answer your post earlier, if mazda made a 3 rotor sportscar, i would blow my wad...
DZ302
QUOTE(leif @ Aug 20 2005, 11:47 PM)
No, I dont know much about V8s, but I do know about superchargers, and the main drawback with them is that they are ALWAYS on, you are always on boost, there is no lag, which means that you are always burning more fuel than you need, unlike with a turbo, where you can spool down and act like a high mpg car.

Also I do have some exp. with new american V8s, mainly the 5.7L hemi which is considered to be a very fuel efficent V8, and try as i might, the best I could get was 10.8mpg, which is shit.

and to answer your post earlier, if mazda made a 3 rotor sportscar, i would blow my wad...

I don't know what makes you think this supercharger will make a lot of boost on the Blue Devil. I mean, LS1s can get an extra 150 horses from just 7psi of boost on a Procharger (centrifugal supercharger). 7psi isn't a whole lot of artificial displacement.

And if you could only get 10mpg in the Hemi, the Hemi fucking sucks. LS1s are 5.7L as well, make the same horsepower, and manage 30mpg on the highway and about 18 around the town driving like a normal human being (not coasting everywhere).
Sant'Agata
Wasn't this posted on UCP by some guy who claimed his uncle was some big guy in the industry... The same uncle who previously owned an Enzo...

I doubt this.....
Renesis
^hurray for the stupid skip gear features on the manual gearboxes to achieve those numbers eh?

so much for the engine... rolleyes.gif
porschedream
Well the Blue Devil does sound like a really interesting car. I'm interested to know how much they would sell it for if it goes on sale. I don't know what this arguement is about but 650hp sounds fairly reasonable considering how much hp the current Z06 has. I don't know if it will get good MPG considering it will have a monster block V8 or something like that. Plus it will have some sort of forced induction. Nevertheless it's still a sexy car and i'm sure it will probably leave Porsche Turbo owners afraid.
høgh
This list is obviously bs! Clearly written by some GM-fanboi. And DZ and RJ, Ren is being less of a fanboi then you two are right now. It's the typical american-muscle fanboi opinion that, if you like a rotary car you must be a fanboi with no doubt at all. And that is just ironic.
Mitlov
QUOTE(leif @ Aug 20 2005, 03:23 PM)
Do I detect a little Rotor-envy? I completely understand, if i had to watch my domestic car makers bite the dust as the Japanise and Europeans reported record profits I would be in a fowl mood too.

That jab would make sense, if rotaries had ANYTHING to do with Japanese manufacturers massacring American manufacturers in sales. But they don't. The RX-8 is a unique oddity, not a new market direction. Sales trends toward Honda and Toyota in three markets--family sedans, minivans, and SUVs--are what have really hurt the American cars. Enthusiast's cars have very little to do with any of it.
Randle2I
We should just ban the word rotory in this forum. Whenever somebody brings it up it starts a big fight & people get all pissy about there favorite cars.

As to the list of new GM cars: BULL$HIT. Whomever made this list doesn't know jack crap. How would a V8 powered Camaro cost less than a Sky? Same skepticism applies to everything on that list, I dont believe any of it.
høgh
QUOTE(Randle2I @ Aug 21 2005, 07:44 PM)
We should just ban the word rotory in this forum. Whenever somebody brings it up it starts a big fight & people get all pissy about there favorite cars.

No, wrong. Evertime someone says something bad about american cars, the war starts. And it's the american-car fans that start it by saying that the persons who doesn't like american cars must obviously be rotary fanboys.
White RSX
Only because they wished Chevrolet released their original wankel car rishi
clarkma5
QUOTE(leif @ Aug 21 2005, 12:47 AM)
No, I dont know much about V8s, but I do know about superchargers, and the main drawback with them is that they are ALWAYS on, you are always on boost, there is no lag, which means that you are always burning more fuel than you need, unlike with a turbo, where you can spool down and act like a high mpg car.

Not true, superchargers have had clutches built into them for a long long time that allows them to shut down under light loads.
Renesis
QUOTE(White RSX @ Aug 21 2005, 12:56 PM)
Only because they wished Chevrolet released their original wankel car rishi

sick.gif

I don't see how a Renesis could make our Cavalier better.

Well ofcouse the engine would now be powerful, smooth, and quiet, but the rest would still suck balls.
clarkma5
The funny thing about that, Renesis, is that with Cavaliers (later ones anyway), the Ecotec 2.2 WAS powerful, smooth, and quiet...and the rest sucked balls tongue_orig.gif
Renesis
Not our 115hp 2.2 non-ecotec though.

And "powerful" is relative wink.gif
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