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PAULIE_D
Doesn't look like a photoshop..

Hmmm... could VW be contemlating a high-riding 4x4 version of the Golf?







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porschedream
Can I drive that thing off a cliff?
clarkma5
There has been rumor of a Golf-based mini SUV...looks like this is just a lifted Golf Plus.
R. Waters
then, BMW should counter this by building that Mini moke concept
Phix
KILL IT! KILL IIIIIIT! SEND IT BACK TO HELL!!!
McKhaos
Rumours about this car have been circulating around Europe since the launch of the Golf V . I was actually expecting something around the lines of a Golf II Country , but this thing is ugly as fuck .
moe89
like the lupo dune rolleyes.gif
Patrick
QUOTE(PHiX @ Mar 16 2005, 05:58 AM)
KILL IT! KILL IIIIIIT! SEND IT BACK TO HELL!!!

There's no f8cking place for that "thing" huh.gif not even hell is worth that piece of shit sick.gif laugh.gif
Mr b00st
supposed to be called the "beduin" according to auto-express. nice name.
PAULIE_D
QUOTE(Mr b00st @ Mar 16 2005, 03:56 PM)
supposed to be called the "beduin" according to auto-express. nice name.

Bedouin ?
Joshben
QUOTE
supposed to be called the "beduin" according to auto-express. nice name.
Patrick 


i guess following the naming scheme of the touareg...

i say bad...
bad, bad, bad...

but it would probably sell...
Dylan
QUOTE(PAULIE_D @ Mar 16 2005, 05:11 PM)
Bedouin ?

Wasn't that that rinspeed monstrosity?
PandaBeat
Is that a Golf or a Polo?
clarkma5
QUOTE(PandaBeat @ Mar 16 2005, 03:18 PM)
Is that a Golf or a Polo?

It's a lifted Golf Plus.
PandaBeat
QUOTE(clarkma5 @ Mar 16 2005, 03:19 PM)
It's a lifted Golf Plus.

ahhh, that new thing.... they all look the same... canadian.gif
R. Waters
what's wrong with it again? oh that's right It isnt a sports car
even though Volkswagen roughly translates to "car of the people" so they shouldnt make cars for everyone, only auto enthusiasts, obviously
White RSX
I didn't like the Golf to begin with, really.
Dreaming of Elise
looks like a test-mule - the front wheel arch has flat sheetmetal in it. the whole front is just random stuff put on for testing purposes.
R. Waters
it's a Volkswagen cross-wagon har har har!


('im really terrible at this)
nismo
QUOTE(Dreaming of Elise @ Mar 16 2005, 10:32 PM)
looks like a test-mule - the front wheel arch has flat sheetmetal in it. the whole front is just random stuff put on for testing purposes.

WOW! Really? I didn't notice! tongue_orig.gif ( I think we all can tell a camo-ed car at this point )
Dreaming of Elise
QUOTE(McKhaos @ Mar 16 2005, 02:18 AM)
this thing is ugly as fuck .

apparently not.
Mitlov
QUOTE(PAULIE_D @ Mar 16 2005, 01:11 PM)
Bedouin ?

Bedouins=Arab nomads who live in tents. More or less.

I don't know about that name. I understand that people don't want to use Native American names anymore after the scandals surrounding the Jeep Cherokee and all, but the Middle East is about the LAST place I'd look for people who would be more laid back and complacent about that stuff.

Just my two cents.
R. Waters
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Mar 16 2005, 08:01 PM)
Bedouins=Arab nomads who live in tents. More or less.

I don't know about that name. I understand that people don't want to use Native American names anymore after the scandals surrounding the Jeep Cherokee and all, but the Middle East is about the LAST place I'd look for people who would be more laid back and complacent about that stuff.

Just my two cents.

what scandals?

link me Ive must have missed them
Mitlov
QUOTE(R. Waters @ Mar 16 2005, 08:05 PM)
QUOTE(Mitlov @ Mar 16 2005, 08:01 PM)
Bedouins=Arab nomads who live in tents.  More or less.

I don't know about that name.  I understand that people don't want to use Native American names anymore after the scandals surrounding the Jeep Cherokee and all, but the Middle East is about the LAST place I'd look for people who would be more laid back and complacent about that stuff.

Just my two cents.

what scandals?

link me Ive must have missed them

I don't know if there were any legal suits involving the Jeep Cherokee, but all the Native Americans I knew growing up (Navajo, to be specific) were ticked off about sports teams like the Redskins and Chiefs. And a friend's older brother mentioned the Jeep Cherokee specifically in an essay he wrote about it.

As for the greater "mascot" scandal, there's a summary here:
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=168

And something mentioning the Jeep Cherokee specifically:
QUOTE
``Automobiles should not carry the names of living, viable native nations,'' Harjo said. ``President Clinton, on his whistlestop tour, just celebrated the 200-millionth Jeep Cherokee rolling off the line. I'm sorry, but that's highly inappropriate.

``It's the automobile manufacturer, the advertiser generally, all of those who would pimp our names and images for their own personal profit and gain that's the offense.''

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot...03/09050589.htm EDIT--I realized this is confusing, but this is NOT the same essay I mentioned earlier talking about the Jeep Cherokee.

It's a complicated situation, admittedly. I don't know any Scots or Scottish-Americans offended by the Toyota Highlander, but I do know plenty of Native Americans bothered by the Jeep Cherokee. Different ethnic groups seem to feel very differently about the issue. I guess we'll just have to wait and see about what the Arab community says or does about a Volkswagen Bedouin.
høgh
QUOTE(porschedream @ Mar 16 2005, 06:45 AM)
Can I drive that thing off a cliff?

Yes, you can. canadian.gif
PAULIE_D
Being of Italian background, you wouldn't see me getting upset if Fiat released a new model called the Fiat Siciliano.

Now if they named a model in a durogatory way, (i.e. they called it the Fiat Dego Mafiosa Special) ... well, that would be worth getting upset over.

As an example, why don't you hear about natives of the Tuscany region of Italy getting upset over a TVR model named after them? (i.e. TVR Tuscan)

Italy was merely a collection of city states until they were eventuallly merged into one country that we know today as Italy. The locals have a lot of pride in their distinctive local culture and the people of each region even have unique physical traits which differentiate themselves from neighbouring regions. Some regions even speak their own language. These city states were founded by ancient tribes. So you see what I'm getting at?

As such, I don't think that a Jeep model being named 'Cherokee' is derogatory at all.

I can think of a Canadian example as well.... remember the Pontiac Acadian? Same idea...
goota
QUOTE(PAULIE_D @ Mar 17 2005, 07:33 AM)
As such, I don't think that a Jeep model being named 'Cherokee' is durogatory at all.

ehh.... gonna have to disagree with you there buddy. according to native americans it is, unless you havent heard of the mass genocide (maybe genocide isnt a strong enough word for this) of native americans that has taken place over the last 500 years, since arrival of europeans to the american continent, its pretty obvious why one could have such hateful sentiments towards the white man/americans. Car companies owned by white people, using native american terms, is just another slap in the face to an already humiliated race (in terms of what has been done to them, native americans are by no means pathetic). I have native american blood in me, specifically Apache, i dont mind the use of this name, i guess i am out of touch, my cousins often refer to me as "vanilla boy" becuase i spend so much time with white people, ahahaha. but i do understand how my relatives feel. its alot like when someone tries to act like a native american and does that "woo woo woo" thing with thier mouth and hand, that shit pisses me off, you dont see me running around, or any other white person running around saying "sup nigger, yea lets go pimp some bitches", or some shit like that, they cant say that, its not PC. all the shit that has been done to native americans is by far worse than what has happened to any other minority in the united states. its simply that people dont care about native americans or thier feelings because there arent many around (jeez i wonder how that happened??!). what my point is, is that although some may not think of using native american names and such to sell products derogatory, to put it simply, it is.


edit-

"I can think of a Canadian example as well.... remember the Pontiac Acadian? Same idea... " Paulie

In no way, are any of those things the same as a native american name, the thing that would even be closest, is a car like, the Honda Nigger.
PAULIE_D
QUOTE(goota @ Mar 17 2005, 11:08 AM)
In no way, are any of those things the same as a native american name, the thing that would even be closest, is a car like, the Honda Nigger.

But that name you used in your example is derogatory in itself.
The name "Cherokee" is not derogatory in itself.
People take offence to the use of the name Cherokee for a model of vehicle.. that's their point of contention... not the name itself.

As for the Acadian example I used... the Acadians have a history dating back about 400 years in Canada. They are a distinct people who live in the Maritimes of Canada. If you ask me, these people share the same sentiments and pride that any "tribe" member would share... so they too should have been offended by the use of the "Acadian" name for a model of vehicle. But to the best of my knowledge, they were not offended.

For the record, I am not trying to insult the Aboriginal Natives of North America. I think their culture and way-of-life is fascinating and commands a great deal of respect. I just don't see how naming a vehicle the "Cherokee" can cause so much controversy.
PandaBeat
I'd be severely pissed if Ferrari makes a "Ferrari Uruguay", HOW THEY DARE TO INSULT US?, stupid motherfuckers, I'll sue their asses for emotional damage, I'll also request to our government to declare war on Italy until they change that derogatory name...
goota
ahahahahaha @ panda


well i cant speak for the acadians, but i see what you mean by the use of the word cherokee in itself. but the car companies are using the name to sell the product, sure they could change the name, but its already an established product. you also have to think about the second hand language involved in this. when someone says "i own a cherokee", although it is in reference to a car, a second meaning can be interpreted as "i own someone" or something like that, just a thought, i am not sure if people feel like that. but what im saying why it has so much controversy is because the name is being used to sell a product which creates monies that native americans see absolutely nothing of. think of it as this, Native americans have been persecuted for the last 500 years, always told they were sub-human by white people, now white people are using the things that native americans were told were sub-human. thats messed up, its like, telling your little brother who just got some new legos, telling him legos are complete shit, so he doesnt use it, and you take it and go have your fun with the legos.
PAULIE_D
I see your point goota. But it's a known fact that war and genocide have been an ongoing problem throughout recorded history. While I think it's important to remember the past and honour our ancestors, I also think it's even more important to right our wrongs and advance ourselves. If we cling to the past too much, we prevent ourselves from making forward progress.
goota
true, true, i am simply stating what i know my relatives think like, i by all means agree with you. Just its not easy to forget about stuff, especially when your the losing party :\
R. Waters
I get it's sorta like having a car called the Chevy Rasta
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