Lancia Stratos concept for Geneva

Next month, there will be huge surprise for Lancia when Geneva motor show starts. During that time on, Lancia will celebrate the legendary Stratos car turns 35. The surprise is that Lancia and Fenomenon Hostilic Design (London, U.K) will launch the concept version of the next Stratos.

Will this one have a Ferrari engine as well ??? if not they can burn in hell.

The detail on that picture is astonishing .

Yeah, looks very promising on the picture. Wonder if they will compete in WRC with the new one?

I guess so, I think it will have the 3.2 V6 engine from the Brera and the 147/156GTA

Duke, Ferrari doesn't make a V6 now so its highly doubtful.

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then its just gonna have to make do with a V8. else its just a hopeless immitation of a legend.

Alfa's V6s are nothing to scoff at. Which is probably what this car is going to have.

Fiat motor group is all the same. but i agree with duke. dont make a sequel unless youre made of the same shit as the original.

The both you, your ignorance is sickening.

whatever

this is going to be a fuckin amazing car...and if the rest of you are going to dismis it because of a minor technicality...then good...more for the rest of us.

does the ford GT have the same engine as the original? no its a god damned truck engine...yet you monkeys eat it up like it was goin out of style. hell the new mustang V8 has an overhead cam!!! yet you freak out when someone mentions it has a solid rear axle, as if they just called your father a fruit

get some perspective.

Mr. Dumbass

The Ford GT's claim to fame was not its engine but that it beat Ferrari at its game. The legend of the Charger was it was a proper american muscle car not a 4 door sedan, and Mustang became a legend beacuse it was the car for masses but it also did what everyone wanted it to do and not because its V8 had over head cams or not. Now in this case, the main attraction for the Stratos was a light weight car with FERRARI ENGINE. now go figure

your post shows how little perspective YOU have

Actually the statos's claim to fame has little to do with its engine and everything to do with the fact that it absolutely turned the realm of rallying on its head. Mid engine with a short wheelbase. Personally I'd rather it had a sexy Alfa V6 then a big and wide ferrari V8.

and one reason why it turned rallying on its head was its light weight body and supercar styled midmounted enigne.

Don't forget though that the Ferrari V6 was designed to be used by FIAT. Not ferrari itself. So your "great ferrari heratige" has its basis in one of the most pedestrian makes out there.

YOU LOSE DUKE.

my only question is why this car was RWD. i guess AWD was still a new technology at the time, but couldnt this car have been twice as amazing had it utilized AWD? i dont know a lot about it, so forgive me if it changed to and AWD drivetrain later in its production.

you might wanna read this :
http://www.stratossupersite.com/lancia-str...tos-history.htm

The enigne was originally supplied from the Ferrari Dino 246 and for not so brilliant indivisual like myself thats not exactly pedestrian.

AHEM.


The Dino has no Ferrari badges on it because it is by technicality a Fiat. Therefore, the V6 motor that was engineered by Ferrari was still built by Fiat.

Agreed.
I don't care if it has a Alfa V6 or a Ferrari V8, even if it's not true to its heritage, it still looks like it's going to be an awesome car.

A Mid-Engined RWD..... rally car? WTF? Did it end up killing its drivers?

If that's made, that would be seriously amazing. I personaly loved the original, and this one looks promising.

AWD Technology hadn't come around yet when the car was made. The reason why the Lancia was such an insight was because most of the weight was over the rear tires.

The Stratos ruled the world of rallies until Audi showed up with the quattro and blew everything out of the water , paving the way for Group B .
Mmmmm,Group B .

Mmmmm... old school quattro.

Yea, its a shame that some people were so much fanatic about it, they absolutely HAD to stand so close to the roads that they could feel the heat from the engines when the cars were passing by. Think of the cars that we would have had today. 600 maybe 800+ HP STi's...

Mmmm, 800HP STi's... [insert the old drool emoticon]

the point of my post was that you people dismis this car because it does not have a ferrari engine, a small detail in the whole picture. furthermore the alpha engine this thing probaly will have most likely has its roots in the original dino design...at least more so than any current Ferrari V8

and the GT40 shares much more with this car than you are aware of...the GT was a failure until Carol Shelby shoehorned one of his 427 V8 race engines into a perviously unsucessful mid engined chassis...sound famillar?

and mustang boy...would you explain how my post shows how little perspective i have? im curious as to what that means.

I was under the impression that the stratos wasnt beaten, but was banned then the Gruupe B catagory was outlawed due to numerous spectator deaths

hah, i dont think standing a couple feet farther from the road would have prevented some of the incredible wrecks and subsequent deaths generated by group B rally. i dont think we'll see the likes of those drivers again due to the unique nature of their incredible with and feel for the machines. oh, and group B was the first rally to start with co-drivers... the whole pacenotes thing was just a side effect, they were originally there to make sure the driver's massive, yet necessary, kahunas didnt get it the way.


p.s. i know they didnt start co-drivers.

gladly...

the part about the Ford GT having a Truck Engine.

An engine is a engine. What difference does it make if a similar engine is offered in trucks? I think the fact that a motor similar to the GT's 5.4 is offered in trucks is a VERY small detail in the whole picture. You are a hypocritical closed-minded ass. You don't even know how different the two engines are.

It doesn't bother me that you dont like Ford/American Cars... but at least know what you're bashing.

dude...read the post...the comment on the engine being a small part of the picture was in reference to the stratos...not the GT...if you want to get into a discussion...fine, but read the post and try to understand. why would I make a reference to the GT having a ferrari engine? thats just silly

and the GT motor is from the SVT lightning, which is kinda a cop out considering a proper race bread V8 from cosworth would have filled out the package quite nicely, and would have been readily avalable.

and an engine is not an engine...an engine makes the car. you can have the best chassis in the world...but if the engine is a piece of shit...the whole car is a write off. the RX-7 would have just been another mindless sports car if not for the dynamic afforded by the rotary engine. even your beloved mustang would have been killed off in the 60's had it's V6 not been replaced with a V8. perhaps years of driving mustangs has sullied your apreciation for a fine engine.

Leif your personal biases have outrun your intelligence. I think its time to stop posting.

Would a tuned engine by Cosworth be cost effective?
Fuck no.
this is Ford were talking about.
they built a Beautiful supercar.
who the fuck cares if its the engine from a fucking truck.
it makes lots of torque and horsepower.
it goes Vroooooom with some whine from the supercharger.
in turn making the car move.
and it moves good like.
so stop bitching.
its a fucking car.

i love the original, but i don't think this new one will be that great. generally, bringing old cars back to life just doesn't work (Malibu, Thunderbird, etc), or it does, but pisses off the fans of the old version (new Beetle, Charger..). There are exceptions (Mini, Ford GT), so there's hope, but I don't see the Fiat group having the money or resources to successfully produce a supercar. The original was only made to meet homologation rules, so there were only 4-500 copies made, so if they make that few it might be possible, but I don't see it being very profitable. As for rally competition, Fiat can't afford another entry into the WRC, and I can't imagine them having any new technology or ideas to own the competition like the original did.

you misunderstood me.

I completely understood what you were saying...

i was trying to point out how funny it is that you think the engine in the Stratos not being from ferrari is a small part of the picture, yet with the GT, you think its a big deal that the 5.4 in the GT is similar to the 5.4 in the Lighting.

Just to end that debate... here are some quotes from a Hot Rod Magazine article on the Ford GT.

"The GT's all-new aluminum block is cast from 356-T6 alloy and machined at Ford's in-house engine prototyping facility. The improved alloy is said to be 20-30 percent stronger than the alloy used for the DOHC 4.6L engine's block. The castings are rough bored before being fitted with press-fit cast-iron cylinder liners."

"With the high cylinder pressures in a supercharged engine, ring seal is especially critical for long-term durability, so in a step that's pretty much unheard of in high-volume production engines, every GT block is honed with torque plates to ensure the greatest possible degree of cylinder-wall straightness. "

"Although it shares bore and stroke dimensions with the Navigator engine, the GT block is significantly strengthened by a series of ribs across the valley, as well as by taller "china walls" at the front and back of the block. For added strength, and because there is no need to have an open vacuum plenum in the crankcase with the engine's dry-sump oiling system, there are also no "window" openings through the main cap bulkheads as are found on other modular blocks. Deck thickness was increased to 13mm from the 4.6L aluminum block's 10mm to increase structural integrity and cylinder sealing under boost. "

"The GT block is the only production modular V-8 that features billet-steel four-bolt main-bearing caps with cross-bolts. Other mod motors, including the Cobra engine, which also has four cap bolts and two cross-bolts, and the SOHC 4.6L with two bolts and two cross-bolts, have nodular cast-iron main caps. Unlike traditional modular V-8s, which require hand-setting the cap-to-block side clearance with a jackscrew during assembly, the GT's billet caps are machined for a precision fit"

"The GT block's pan rails were widened to provide room for drainbacks that return oil directly into the oil pan, bypassing the crank and windage tray for improved oil control. "

"Many modern production engines use low-friction aluminum bearings that do a great job of maintaining tolerances over a long service life, but aren't as good at withstanding the pounding from a high-performance engine. The GT engine uses the more durable tri-metal bearings we're used to seeing in highly stressed performance and race engines. The groove in the upper shell feeds oil to the built-in piston squirters. "

"Among the trickest new parts designed for the GT engine are the forged H-beam rods made for Ford by Manley with ARP capscrew bolts. A design borrowed from diesel engines, the trapezoidal shape of the rod's small-end (inset) reduces the reciprocating weight of the rod without reducing the cross section of the pin bushing when the piston is loaded against the rod. "



i have plenty more, but than i would be running the risk of hijacking

Oh no the horror the horror not a highjacked thread. Supermod save us!


Anyways its unfortunate you're fighting a pointless battle because in the end leif will just say LOL YOU DRIVE A FORD.

I'm honestly beginning to love this place. I have an opinion which is backed up by 7 years as a profesonal driver...durring which time i drove every thing from a beat to rat shit GMC pickup truck to a lexus SC430, and everything inbetween...and I am asked to stop posting because I voice my self?

What have I said which is untrue?

what engine goes into the lancia is a minor detail...as long as it is free reving and a good engine with lots of horse power.

like it or not, the engine in the SVT lightning and the GT share alot...but i was attempting to demonstrate that a good chassis with a good engine...regardles of source can be a good car. I dont agree with the beleif that the GT is a revolutonaryaly great iconic car, but i do recognise that at face value it is a good car...

my oppinions are based on experince...and i usualy think i voice them in such a way as to open debate and discussion...the point of a discussion forum...

while others here have the oppinion that "I live in america...america makes good cars" and thats final, and cannot back up their claim with discussion or experience.


saying "the stratos will be crap without a ferrari engine" is ignorant...final answer...lets get back to talking about what is sure to be a wicked car

when you state your opinions like this... , it makes you come off as a closed minded dumbass who is doing nothing more than bashing ford.




i agree with you 100% on that, and i was never arguing against it.

someone who is closed minded bashes something with out ever trying it...I have tried nearly every car on the market in north america, domestic and import...except crysler...the only chryslers i have ever driven was a mini van and a K car...then i stopped

who are you?

in your profile it says..

"Location: 89 Ford Mustang"

do you have any pics? Post in User's Rides!

And the biggest asshole of the year award goes too..?

and you were bashing me on what point again ?

Leif. 5liter has done more with mustangs than probably any of us will ever do with any other car. He has a freaking farm of them. Is that because he's ignorant? No. The reason why you're asked to shut up is because you can't hardly make a post on this forum without your anti american car biases bleeding through. I don't care if you think american cars are the shittiest cars on the planet. You do not harass members just because of your own personal biases. People DO like American cars and some of them like them for a very good reason. Many of the reasons that I'm inclined to agree with.

On this forum I try to promote more education about cars and someone who is as ignorant an blinded by you frankly does not get along around here. Anyway take what I said for what you will.

yeah alfa's 3.2L is what Ferrari's V6's would sound like/perform like if they made them today, i think. Sonorous, decent torque, high winding with good power delivery. Beautiful.

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Complete article + more pics here.

hmmm melike

^Now that looks sexy. And +2 cause it's white!

do any of you think that this will kill the Stratos' historical status in rally and the world. sometimes remakes ruin the original and take the steam out of its' sails.

perfect example; the new Dodge Charger. i am a Die-Hard Mopar guy and i have always loved the Charger, and when i heard that they were making a new charger i was about to shit my pants, until i heard about what rthey were really making. that was then it all went downhill, the new one dosnt hold a coin to the classic.

what ever they do with this car, i just hope that they dont put a bad taste in the mouths of Lancia fans around the world, thats all, but other than that not bad.